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Unread 11-04-2013, 04:45 PM   #976
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Sorry, no CAD here. Just a tape measure and one good eye. I can get more pics if you want.

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Unread 11-04-2013, 04:56 PM   #977
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Sorry, no CAD here. Just a tape measure and one good eye. I can get more pics if you want.
Id appreciate that if its not too much of an in convince for you. You can pm me them or post them.
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Unread 11-04-2013, 05:10 PM   #978
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No prob. Probably be a few days
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Unread 11-05-2013, 07:07 PM   #979
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Unread 11-05-2013, 10:22 PM   #980
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Thank you very much. You just added on from the original frame. Correct?
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Unread 11-06-2013, 06:14 PM   #981
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Yes, added to factory roll bar.
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Unread 11-10-2013, 10:33 AM   #982
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does any body know the purpose of having the seat brackets welded to the cage?
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Unread 11-10-2013, 10:41 AM   #983
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does any body know the purpose of having the seat brackets welded to the cage?
It's simply for safety. Would you rather have the seat you're strapped into be part of the roll cage surrounding and protecting you or be part of the sheet metal body? If the roll or accident is bad enough and the body mounts fail, the tub and cage are going to move different directions. It's much safer to mount your seats and harnesses to the roll cage so that you stay with the cage that's protecting you.
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Unread 11-10-2013, 11:35 AM   #984
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It's simply for safety. Would you rather have the seat you're strapped into be part of the roll cage surrounding and protecting you or be part of the sheet metal body? If the roll or accident is bad enough and the body mounts fail, the tub and cage are going to move different directions. It's much safer to mount your seats and harnesses to the roll cage so that you stay with the cage that's protecting you.
that makes sense but if you do your cage properly and frame tie it then how would the body move. not trying to heat anything up just curious
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Unread 11-10-2013, 12:04 PM   #985
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that makes sense but if you do your cage properly and frame tie it then how would the body move. not trying to heat anything up just curious
IMO it's even more important to mount your seats to the roll cage if you build a "real" cage that is properly tied into the frame, creating a fully enclosed, rigid structure. It's not difficult to imagine sheet metal deforming or tearing in a wreck. Body mounts can fail, seat mounts bolted to the sheet metal body can fail, and if that were to happen you are no longer moving with the roll cage and frame of the Jeep.

Obviously, this is not as critical when talking about a basic sport cage that is not tied to the frame because it is unknown if the cage will even survive in a wreck that has enough force to separate the tub from the frame. At that point, you are on your own and exposed whether you are with the cage or with the body. This is evident because Jeep mounts the seats to the body, the upper belt to the roll cage and lap belt to the body. However, if you take the time to build a true roll cage, with triangulation and frame tie-ins, that is constructed and welded with proper technique, we can assume that it may withstand a wreck that might separate the tub from the frame. In that scenario, the safest option is to have your seats and harnesses mounted to the cage tied to the frame so you stay with the structure providing the most protection. None of us ever want to experience an accident with that much force because chances of survival are slim, but if you are going through the trouble to build the strongest and safest roll cage you can, it seems like a no brainer to mount the seats and 5 point harnesses to the roll cage just in case.
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IMO it's even more important to mount your seats to the roll cage if you build a "real" cage that is properly tied into the frame, creating a fully enclosed, rigid structure. It's not difficult to imagine sheet metal deforming or tearing in a wreck. Body mounts can fail, seat mounts bolted to the sheet metal body can fail, and if that were to happen you are no longer moving with the roll cage and frame of the Jeep.

Obviously, this is not as critical when talking about a basic sport cage that is not tied to the frame because it is unknown if the cage will even survive in a wreck that has enough force to separate the tub from the frame. At that point, you are on your own and exposed whether you are with the cage or with the body. This is evident because Jeep mounts the seats to the body, the upper belt to the roll cage and lap belt to the body. However, if you take the time to build a true roll cage, with triangulation and frame tie-ins, that is constructed and welded with proper technique, we can assume that it may withstand a wreck that might separate the tub from the frame. In that scenario, the safest option is to have your seats and harnesses mounted to the cage tied to the frame so you stay with the structure providing the most protection. None of us ever want to experience an accident with that much force because chances of survival are slim, but if you are going through the trouble to build the strongest and safest roll cage you can, it seems like a no brainer to mount the seats and 5 point harnesses to the roll cage just in case.
that makes alot of sense thanks for the info
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Unread 11-10-2013, 12:11 PM   #987
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ill have alot more questions once time comes im just getting some information and trying to get my motor swap and axles all done before i start my cage.
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Just look at Nascar, NHRA, Indy/F1. All are designed so that the drivers seat stays with the cage surrounding the driver, even as all the sheet metal and rest of the car disintegrates around them in very violent accidents.

This doesn't directly apply to what most of us do with our Jeeps and the crashes or rolls we expect them to survive, but mounting the seats and harnesses to the cage is the safest possible method of keeping you safe if SHTF.
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Unread 11-10-2013, 03:46 PM   #989
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how would something like this do in a side flop? im wanting to try and keep my rear seats. but want it to be a good cage
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Unread 11-15-2013, 01:04 AM   #990
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Hi guys! I never really considered adding a roll cage (or at least not this early) but I stumbled across this craigslist ad where someone is selling one for around $300. It needs some refurbishing, but I think I would be pretty awesome for whatever direction I take my jeep. The ad states it is made of 1 and 3/4 in. steel tubing.

I like the idea of it cosmetically, as well as if I decide I want to do more extreme offroading. I have been doing some reading but I still don't know enough to determine if this is a good deal, or if there is anything I need to be concerned about.

What are your thoughts?
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