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Unread 10-10-2009, 11:41 AM   #1
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need help w/buying new mig welder

so im learning to mig with some help from a buddy. its time to buy myself a machine. have questions. probably the heaviest ill ever weld would be 1/4 " mild steel. is there a 110 volt powered mig out there that will comfortably weld that thickness ?(i dont like the self shield wire so i will just use gas.) if not what would be the minimum choice of 220v welder? lastly where is a good place to order a complete set up at a good price?

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Unread 10-10-2009, 01:07 PM   #2
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How much money do you want to spend? In my opinion, there is no such thing as a 110v welder that will comfortably weld 1/4" thick mild steel. And I'm utterly certain there will be guys on here who disagree with that. I am a tool and die maker by profession, and welding is a part of my job. I took a few classes when I was younger, but most of my training was OJT. Hobart makes a couple of decent 220v welders. Miller makes better ones. Your best bet, if you are able, is to use your buddy's machine more, gain more experience, and make a more informed decision. Welding is almost an art form. No 2 guys do the exact same type of welding in the exact same way. You have to find what works for you, and based on that, you can decide what welder you want.
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Unread 10-10-2009, 01:29 PM   #3
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I'd recommend the Miller 180 with auto set, great machine. Airgas.com has them for $781. + $7. shipping or in a few weeks the'll have their new add out at the stores. Just a thought!
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Unread 10-10-2009, 04:42 PM   #4
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Another thread in general discussion going on about this.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f7/we...4/#post8080854

The 120V argument is already bought up. I did a complete spring over axle lift on a suzuki with a 120V welder. My brother who is a production welder by trade and is also certifed in mig tig and stick ( for what cert # I dont know)did the welds on the axletube. I would trust my life and the life of anyone else on those welds that they will not break or crack.

It would be a dumb idea to buy a 120V welder if you were opening up an auto shop but to learn the basics and for pretty much anything on that jeep. If you knew how to weld you would be able to do it with the smaller machines. But if you can afford it and your house has the service to support it go with the more expensive production welders.
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Unread 10-10-2009, 04:58 PM   #5
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MM 180, MM 212, MM 211, MM252, Hobart 187, Hobart 210, Hobart 230, Also the red and Yellow welders are good choices also.
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Unread 10-11-2009, 01:28 PM   #6
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unfortunately i do have a tight budget. i have found a clark 180en and also a 190en on ebay w/cart, reg, etc, for about $500.00 total to my door. are these decent welders for a novice on a budget?
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Unread 10-11-2009, 02:36 PM   #7
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I bought a Lincoln Weld-Pak 140 HD, I would recommend it to anyone that does not have access to 220V such was my problem. I also like the fact you could just about take it to anyones house and use it if need be.
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Unread 10-11-2009, 03:18 PM   #8
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i have a clarke 125en (same as a 130en) no, they arent made in china! lol

they are excellent welders, anyone that has used one will tell you that they are badass....people that never used them will tell you how much they suck. i paid 240 for it shipped to my house, it is flux and mig capable, ive welded 1/4 inch with it safely (pre heating first) if i had the money at the time i would have bough the 160en but couldnt afford it at the time. but honestly, i love my clarke welder and have used lincolns hobart miller esab, linde...any welder you can think of (at my job) and i would put my clarke up against a lincoln miller or hobart of equal size any day. you just have to learn its limits and understand how to do things with it.
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Unread 10-11-2009, 03:24 PM   #9
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I have a Hobart Handler 140 and its an awesome machine. Its moderate price($450 @ Tractor Supply) and true MIG capability are what did it for me. My dad has the same one and he loves his as well. The gauges are included so all you'll have to buy is a tank for the gas and new wire. Just steer clear of the cheap ebay crap, you get what you pay for.
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Unread 10-11-2009, 03:31 PM   #10
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will the hobart 140 or lincoln 140 weld new motor mounts to my frame using gas? in one pass? i dont see myself doing anything heavier than this.
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Unread 10-11-2009, 03:33 PM   #11
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yes, frames of jeeps are 1/8th inch, motor mounts are too i believe
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Unread 10-12-2009, 08:26 PM   #12
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Wait till you have enough money, you'll be throwing money down a rat hole right now. Get the new Miller 211, it's 110/220, you will have it for many, many years down the road and thank yourself later. Think about it! Just a thought!
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Unread 10-17-2009, 12:37 PM   #13
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anybody used one of the firepower migs made by thermal arc? im about ready to buy an fp 130 or fp135. the duty cycle is much better than most this size and appears to be a quality machine for the money. how are they "real world"?
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Unread 10-18-2009, 10:40 PM   #14
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Tisk, tisk, tisk, I was thinking you were an 18 year old college student with no money. Thermal Dynamics is a decent product, which has Thermal Arc, Stoody, etc., I'm sugestioning staying with a product that major welding supplies handle parts for, such as Miller and Lincoln. Miller perfered, Less problems with them.

I work for a MAJOR NATIONAL WELDING SUPPLY for a living and sell Miller 10 to 1 over Lincoln and no Thermal Arc. Go figure! Like I said in #12 above "Rat Holes Are Deep"
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Unread 10-19-2009, 03:01 PM   #15
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I bought a Hobart Handler 135 many years ago. Really wanted a 220 model but didn't have access to it at the time. Always told myself when we moved and I had 220 I'd upgrade the thing but it's been another 5 years now and just can't find the need to do it. It's truly been a great little setup, wouldn't think twice about buying one again.
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