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Unread 03-23-2008, 11:58 PM   #31
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Thanks for the tips guys, I plan on calling the local welding shop to ask them if they could run some beads for me for a low cost. I am taking a break from the garage right now. Today so far I did as much grinding as I could with the grinding wheels I had left, I got the winch holes lined up. 3 of 4 worked, so I only had to change 1 hole and that was ghetto measuring too lol.

I also got the drivers side 1/2 bolts through so far, and am working on the front tow point right now for the drivers side. Cutting all of this with the wheels sure is a pain, I wonder how much the welding shop would charge me for it oxy cut too....hmmm

Gotta make a trip to northern tool tommorrow for another grade 8 bolt, one of the threads was messed on one. update and pics either tonight or tomorrow sometime.

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Unread 03-24-2008, 12:16 PM   #32
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hey pat, those wheels should be stocked by today. saturday night when we were closing, recieving was bringing the hardware pallet down so they should be in.
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Unread 03-24-2008, 02:42 PM   #33
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Yeah, bought 10 more wheels but I am not going to cut the rest of that thing by myself.

I bit the bullet, talked to the guys at the lws and they said they could cut out the other side and run all beads over for $40 total. Dropped it off, will pick up in the morning. That way I dont have to screw with the angle grinder almost cutting off my nuts another 6 times....Plus it should be a nice clean plasma cut.
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Unread 03-25-2008, 12:36 AM   #34
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Here is where I got to last night, winch now lines up, 4 1/2" bolts are through both the winch plate and angle, and one side is cut out aswell as a funtional d-ring. Welding shop is in charge of running beads on the entire thing, and cutting out other side. The more feedback the better. Thanks for looking.

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Unread 03-25-2008, 12:39 AM   #35
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are you gonna laminate some more plate onto those shackle mounts?
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Unread 03-25-2008, 12:42 AM   #36
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are you gonna laminate some more plate onto those shackle mounts?
Laminate? I am not sure what you mean. I did not have any plans for re-inforcing them if thats what you are asking. My aftermarket tow points are 1/4" just like this so I figured this should be enough to tug the jeep if I cannot get to the front tow points, or if I need to use a hi-lift on the front end.
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Unread 03-25-2008, 01:31 AM   #37
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i think you'll find that many aftermarket bars have recovery points up to an inch thick......id find 1/4" too thin for that purpose.
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Unread 03-25-2008, 04:35 AM   #38
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I agree i wouldn't like to be pulled out with those recovery points. 1/4 it's perfectly beef for a bumper's surface, but imho not enough to stand the loads of a recovery. Better be safe than sorry, remember that a failure while recovering can get EXTREMELY dangerous

That said, you'r doing some good job, thumbs up for you!
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Unread 03-25-2008, 09:45 AM   #39
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So basically you are telling me that every single aftermarket ZJ bumper is unsafe.

Bumpers that I know of that use 1/4" are Kevins, CRB, Nates4x4, aswell as anyone that makes a custom one. I have NEVER seen one thicker than 1/4". Then you say, "No pat, i'm talking about tow points" The weakest link is where it will break, unless its all 1/2" it doesnt matter. Its like making a nice paper bumper, and using cardboard tow points. What will break?
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Unread 03-25-2008, 10:59 AM   #40
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Man, I was loving that bumper up untill the d ring points. Go back and look at all of those aftermarket bumpers. The 1/4" stuff is used for the bumper itself BUT d ring mounts are usually 3/4"-1" THICK PLATE welded thru the bumper.

Not harping on you man, just stating that 1/4" plate is nowhere near enough material to pull with.
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Unread 03-25-2008, 11:44 AM   #41
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Just a quick hand calculation on your shackle mounts (assuming that's a 1" dia pin)

Check bearing area and stress: 1" dia pin x .25" thick = .25" bearing area
Assuming mild steel (conservative yield of 40,000 psi), that means a max load of 10,000 lbs before bearing failure (ie, shackle pulling through the hole).

That's a straight pull, pulling at an angle is going to reduce that by around half, so say 5,000 lbs.

Well, I wouldn't sling load off those, but they'll probably work for most recovery use.
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Unread 03-25-2008, 01:43 PM   #42
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yeah i agree with everyone else, i aint pulling you out with those. i like my rear window glass un-shattered.

so whats the plan for the bumper now? still gonna cut up the stock one or what?
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Unread 03-25-2008, 02:14 PM   #43
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Either way, I have front tow points. I am not going to cut these off, I might aswell just leave them on now. Both are cut, back from welding shop, just need to drill one more d-ring hole and then do the cosmetic stuff.

Everything else looks good though?
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Unread 03-25-2008, 03:00 PM   #44
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Looking good so far. I have to agree with everyone else about the shackle mounts. If you aint going to cut them off how about adding some steel and making them thicker?
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Unread 03-25-2008, 03:10 PM   #45
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looking good man
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