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Unread 02-11-2011, 06:53 PM   #1
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Just another tire carrier build.

I guess it's not much of a build seeing as I never document stuff. But I thought I might share my work so far. This will be the 3rd bumper I have made for myself, but I "gave" the rest to friends.

It is similar to the BESRK bumper everyone seems to make, but so is everyone on the market. The big difference is this cost me very little to make. I pay $0.30/lbs. for mild steel end cuts, but I already had most of the materials on hand.

2"x5"-.250wall rectangular tubing makes up the base of the bumper. I used 2x4 tubing on the last two, but always thought the 2x5 looked better.


I used a 2000# trailer spindle I bought at TSC and the appropriate bearing kit. I did have to weld an extension on the bottom to make up the inch difference from the 5" tall bumper. I'll take better pic of it later when I have real lighting.


The mounts are made from 1/2" plate, and some odd 3"x3"-.310wall square tubing.


The swing-out A-frame is made from mostly 2"x2"-.188wall square tubing. The spindle bearing housing is 2.5"-.250wall DOM tubing. Gussets will be added soon as decide on the design. Shackle mounts are 1-1/4" bar-stock I cut to shape, and are designed for a 3/4" shackle pin. They are welded through and through like everyone should do.


Now my dilemma is the latch. I used the de-sta-co latch on the other two, and it is still working fine for the current owners. I personally just don't care for it, and think it is ugly as hell. What are some other reasonably price options out there that won't loosen up and rattle.

That is where I am at so far. Next up is the modular tire mounting system I and thinking up. I need it to handle multiple tire widths and still be tight and noise free.

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Unread 02-11-2011, 07:40 PM   #2
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I have personally witnessed one of the "T" handle screw on type latches come loose. The tailgate swung open when a fellow Jeeper was crawling up a steep incline. If someone were behind him, I have absolutely zero doubt they would have been seriously injured.

With that said, I personally would not veer away from the De Sta Co latches simply due to their "toggle safety" (or whatever they are calling it) feature. Absolutely 100% prevents an accidental opening, which is very important.

But if you are insistent on not using the De Sta Co, Zach (AtoZ fab) has a nice little T-handle set up that he sells.
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Unread 02-11-2011, 09:56 PM   #3
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Is that gap even all the way across under the tire mount looks like its running uphill from the spindle?
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Unread 02-11-2011, 10:18 PM   #4
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Is that gap even all the way across under the tire mount looks like its running uphill from the spindle?
It is mostly because I have a piece of pipe where the bearings and races would be right now for mock up. It will have a degree or two of rake to offset the clamping of the latch. Just something I have learn from the past 2. The weight of a 36" TSL and the torque from the latch can add up over a couple years.
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Unread 02-11-2011, 11:03 PM   #5
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Looks good.....and heavy duty
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Unread 02-12-2011, 06:33 AM   #6
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Nice work!!

In addition to the De Sta Co style latches that are out, there are the "T" style screw in latches and slam latches (clamshell latch similar to a car door latch). Might browse around thru someplace like McMaster Carr... in their latch section. Also Google "Latches" or derivitives.. there are dozens and dozens of styles/sizes out there. Seeing something fresh would be kind of neat.

It's kind of funny that here in this Forum that style of bumper is referred to as a "BESRK" bumper.. when in fact, it has probably been around for decades.. at least 20-30 years.

All I've ever done is copy the good parts I've seen, put my "twist" on areas that I thought could use some work, and then cranked out a few hundred of them over the years.
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Unread 02-12-2011, 09:27 AM   #7
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I always thought that when I make a bumper and swing out that I would use a bear claw latch, just like car doors use. Ive fab'd up a few sets of suicide doors, mostly on old beetle's and those latches are safe, secure and cheap to buy brand new. Keeping it clean and mud free might be a challenge though. I like the idea of just closing the tire carrier and having it latch by itself. These also "double latch", meaning if for some reason it doesnt fully close, its still latched securely.

Im no genious, so Im sure people have tried these and found some issues or they would be the standard if they were as good as I think they would be.
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Unread 02-12-2011, 10:39 AM   #8
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I like the idea of just closing the tire carrier and having it latch by itself. These also "double latch", meaning if for some reason it doesnt fully close, its still latched securely.
This is pretty much dead on my plan.
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Unread 02-12-2011, 12:20 PM   #9
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what did you use to house the bearings on the pivot?

ok i just read the entire post and see the 2.5" DOM. do the bearings fit right or are there more mods?
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Unread 02-12-2011, 07:00 PM   #10
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Nice Build...

If you wanted to be really different on your latch and be solid and reliable..you could fab you'r own design,thats what i did and it has held up for 3 years,and as a matter of fact the original 1" trailer spindle i used snapped off my A-Arm assembly one night and was still there when i got home about 15 miles on back roads before I realized it happened,the latch held it all there.

Its just used a bigger sized pipe to cut in 1/2 and make a hinge on one side,then welded a nut on the bottom side back half and a thick washer on the front side of the bottom 1/2 for the bolt.
I put a few peices of rubber weather stripping inside it to make it snug and no rattles,it holds it in place VERY tight.

You could easily fab up a rectangular setup for yours where just the front part hinged up or down,i've already thought of building a latch setup like that on a rectangular tube bumper i will be building for my buddy's wife's TJ since mine has held up so well and no rattles
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do the bearings fit right or are there more mods?
I just cut 2" OD to space the bearing races the correct distance apart. Everything fits perfect.

I'm trying to find something along the lines of this to modify for the latch.
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Unread 02-12-2011, 11:39 PM   #12
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$39.00 shipped buy it now

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This summer I plan to build bumpers and a tire carrier also and the latch I plan on using is one of these; http://www.awdirect.com/twist-lock-p...250a/hardware/ Check it out and let me know what you think of this. Thanks, Dave
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I went with a simple hitch pin setup with bronze bushings.



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Is that white block just nylon? What about that vertical stopper? Is it just metal?
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