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Unread 07-11-2014, 12:56 PM   #16
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Just be carful, taking this idea that might look good from a few Pics here on this site. But to me a pivot point with a safety belt ( over the shoulders ) can be more dangerous than the safety its designed to do.

In other words just cause it looks safe it may not. Read up on how a true 5 point works or is intended to work, and then lay this out based on this idea and make sure it stays within the safety specs.
Or not, its not my back/spline at risk.

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I understand your concerns however the design is rock solid and is over engineered. the weakest point would be the stock jk seat belt mount and if your going to sheer a grade 8 1/2 bolt with the breaking strength of 600k your in trouble bottom line. The hardware is stronger than factory and it's is built under tension so in a head on collision the impact is deflected up and down not forward so it is displaced over 4 points not 2 this in combination with the stronger hardware makes it's for a much stronger design

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Unread 07-11-2014, 12:58 PM   #17
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i would use grade 8
All grade 8 sir
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Unread 07-11-2014, 03:56 PM   #18
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Despite telling us SIX TIMES that you're using grade 8 bolts...you're using grade 5 in the pictures.

  • 0 lines = Grade 2
  • 3 lines = Grade 5
  • 5 lines = Grade 7
  • 6 lines = Grade 8




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Unread 07-11-2014, 04:17 PM   #19
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Despite telling us SIX TIMES that you're using grade 8 bolts...you're using grade 5 in the pictures.

[*]0 lines = Grade 2[*]3 lines = Grade 5[*]5 lines = Grade 7[*]6 lines = Grade 8

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Unread 07-11-2014, 05:17 PM   #20
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I understand your concerns however the design is rock solid and is over engineered. the weakest point would be the stock jk seat belt mount and if your going to sheer a grade 8 1/2 bolt with the breaking strength of 600k your in trouble bottom line. The hardware is stronger than factory and it's is built under tension so in a head on collision the impact is deflected up and down not forward so it is displaced over 4 points not 2 this in combination with the stronger hardware makes it's for a much stronger design
I don't care if the bolts are grade 1millon, again my two major concerns are 1, your pimping a product with no vender tag and that brings down the integrity of this site so many of built over the years.
2, I don't think you've taken any time to over look how a proper 5 point is adjusted to ones back support.
I would not trust your over engineering thinking when you stated you used grade 8 bolts, but in those Pics you have clearly used a grade 5 as was pointed out several times threw out this post.

So claim its over built all you want, what your pics show are two different stories and that throws out the door any "trust me's" you have to offer.

Buy a vender badge or IMO delete this post.

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Unread 07-12-2014, 09:32 AM   #21
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Once again to put this to rest everything is grade 8 the pictures were taken after moch up from powder coat and the perfect length grade 8 fastnal bolts showed up 4 days later. So hence you can stop being a forum trolling douch !

Second, I have a background in engineering bottom line and I am once again not a vendor or trying to sell a product I'm simply testing what interest there is in the product and so far it has been great so thanks.

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Unread 07-12-2014, 12:12 PM   #22
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Well as for that comment I wouldn't run a Rockhard harness mount as it's riveted to sheet metal, won't sit tight agents the seat and looks like crap in my opinion. As for the A pillar this is using the same technology as the factory so if your smarter than a jeep engineer than so be it. This is an insanely strong, cleaner looking, easier to mount and fully adjustable system so I guess I don't understand. I have done extensive testing and cannot find anything that dose not far exceed the factory strengths and tolerances. I trust my life with it 100% and it's all I will run after using it bottom line
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Unread 07-12-2014, 02:54 PM   #23
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Once again to put this to rest everything is grade 8 the pictures were taken after moch up from powder coat and the perfect length grade 8 fastnal bolts showed up 4 days later. So hence you can stop being a forum trolling douch !

Second, I have a background in engineering bottom line and I am once again not a vendor or trying to sell a product I'm simply testing what interest there is in the product and so far it has been great so thanks.

He's not trolling... He made an observation from the pictures you posted. If you had posted a pic with grade 8 bolts, nothing would have been said..even after your repeated posts of "All Grade 8 bolts"...

And the fact that you say "pm if your interested in one yourself" does mean you are trying to sell a product...

Maybe you should have Corbeau post this for you, since you have sponsorship..

Posting in the Fab forum will lead to criticism... bar none. Many people here have years of experience in this subject and will chime in... a background in engineering doesn't mean squat if you don't understand how a shoulder harness should be set up.
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Unread 07-12-2014, 02:57 PM   #24
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He ended his post with "pm if your interested in one yourself."

He also joined the day this thread started and only has 1 post. That.
I deleted that part,you are correct.

And to the OP..if you want to push or sell a product see about a vendors account here.

And........even though people build and sell roll cages and such,those are only "added" safety features to a vehicle...this product you are attempting to make "replaces" a factory safety feature that is federaly required in all vehicles,and those have been tested and approved ..this is far from being licensed and/or federaly approved to be sold as a replacement of factory seat belts that are required and illegal to remove,and this product you are pushing clearly shows you have to remove the factory belt system to replace with yours...
BAD IDEA without any kind of licensing.

You said the seat company is "sponsoring you"..then your best bet is to have the seat company test and get the system licensed before offering it to ANYONE...

jason m and others who you call trolls are far from it,they have hands on expereince with these areas and only have true concerns of people's safety...
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Unread 07-12-2014, 03:09 PM   #25
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Once again to put this to rest everything is grade 8 the pictures were taken after moch up from powder coat and the perfect length grade 8 fastnal bolts showed up 4 days later. So hence you can stop being a forum trolling douch !

Second, I have a background in engineering bottom line and I am once again not a vendor or trying to sell a product I'm simply testing what interest there is in the product and so far it has been great so thanks.
You clearly wanted to sell since you stated"pm if interested"...

I am closing this thread for now to put the arguements to an end,as i stated in the last post,this has no real testing or approval as a safety device replacement in a vehicle
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Unread 07-13-2014, 10:28 AM   #26
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I am just going to add one more reply here for future reference...

If you design ANYTHING and/or have any "ideas" to remove any federaly regulated safety equipment...DO NOT POST IT HERE unless it has been legaly tested and a licensed product.

and...the comment of"PM me if interested in one yourself" clearly shows you are trying to sell them out the back door without a vendor's acount.

If you design anything to replace federaly regulated safety equipment and sell it to people,i would HATE to be the one to have to answer to the law if someone gets in an accident and the law asks the people where they got that design or bought it...it'll ruin your life..thats a gaurantee..not an opinion
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