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Unread 01-09-2013, 05:14 PM   #31
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Slag pool is just flux off of a weld bead

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Unread 01-09-2013, 05:30 PM   #32
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I weld and whip everything even with stick and try and make it look like a row of dimes kinda like stacking the weld the reason i whip is to let the puddle freeze before i come back into it so i can "stack" the next piece of weld on top of it some people say don't whip flux but alot of people do
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Unread 01-09-2013, 05:39 PM   #33
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This is worth reading the have no problem stacking or "whiping" a flux core stick http://www.thefabricator.com/article...its-a-stick-up
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Unread 01-09-2013, 05:47 PM   #34
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I weld and whip everything even with stick and try and make it look like a row of dimes kinda like stacking the weld the reason i whip is to let the puddle freeze before i come back into it so i can "stack" the next piece of weld on top of it some people say don't whip flux but alot of people do
That being said it would still be a good idea just to run a straight stringer bead it will be stronger because of the grain structure
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Unread 01-09-2013, 06:05 PM   #35
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A straight line ?
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Unread 01-09-2013, 06:18 PM   #36
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Ya pretty much if u asked a 100 people about welding techniques u would get 75 different answers just play with ur settings and adjust them to you instead of trying to adjust yourself to the welder this might help... http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php?t=32765
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Unread 01-09-2013, 06:21 PM   #37
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If you straight line weld do u keep it more on the thicker material? I'm going to watch videos later
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Unread 01-09-2013, 06:42 PM   #38
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Well it depends i tend favor the thicker metal but u will prolly wanna set the machine for the thinner metal so u dont blow thru it just practice on some scrap to get your angle and speed down pat u run thin metal with the welder turned up but u got to be ready to run with it
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Unread 01-09-2013, 06:44 PM   #39
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Okay thanks. Ill post beads tomorrow
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I ment u can weld thin with it up but u half to run with it. Sorry this is comming fat thumbed from my droid
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Wait all this is of vertical weld. But the mounts will be horizontal so I only have like 1 edge of the d ring mount to weld vertically ..
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Unread 01-09-2013, 06:57 PM   #42
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Ur weld will be fine just YouTube a few videos and trust ur weld a good weld is stronger than the metal it attaches
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Unread 01-09-2013, 07:06 PM   #43
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Just try some of the same welds on scrap
practice is the only way u will get confident with ur welds it just takes time
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Ok thank you guys
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Practice with some scrap for your verticals..and again,,stay away from any wide weaving and whipping in and out of the puddle...bad habits are hard to break once you leanr them,and those are VERY bad habits...straight consistant beads are top quality and strongest ,run more stringers if you need more weld,wich means run a bunch of straight consistant beads along side the other untill fill completed.

The whipping in and out and any wide weaving is an automatic visual failure in any weld tests,especialy flux coated electrodes..for a GOOD reason.

Learn the correct way right off the bat and practice the BEST techniques and you'll never worry of your welding quality

Wide weaving and whipping in and out of the puddle is for beginners and bad habit creators who never get out of the habit to do it correctly and just cheat their way through it all..

it used to be a regular thing a few decades ago to wide weave and whip n dip,but in due time the research and expereinces with failed welds and slag inclusions have proven them to be failures in anything structural related...i know,because as a youngster i used to love doing it,but i finaly realised the right way after some coaching from older guys it was wrong and cheating,it takes a little practice to do nothing but stringers but once you learn it,it's easy and MUCH better.........

And that TheFabricator's link is clearly stating wide weaving and such is for 6010 rod..thats a rod designed for deep penetration and a fast freeze rod and recommended to whip n weave..but a very weak weld......7018 and fluxcore has a heavy slag..VERY bad idea to do any wide weaving and especialy whipping in and out of the puddle.....

Practice some verticles(uphill) welding on scraps...while welding,pay attention to the top of your puddle,,not underneath or behind the weld,but on the very top where you are burning into the base metal..you'll start seeing the difference of how the metal puddle and slag puddle reacts and start getting the "eye" for it the difference between the 2 and you'll start laying in some really nice welds...ignore the slag puddle that is falling off,pay attention to the fast freeze puddle.

You can also practice this with a peice laying flat,but on a slight uphill angle..this way the slag naturaly falls behind the puddle and you'll learn the difference between the 2..
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