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Unread 01-06-2013, 06:52 PM   #16
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Inside panel on the Lincoln welders should have setting based on material thickness. Mine does anyway.

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Unread 01-06-2013, 07:30 PM   #17
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Is that accurate though
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Unread 01-06-2013, 08:14 PM   #18
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What it the weld is horizontal?
Horizontal is going across right to left,or left to right,...in other words..sideways on a piece sitting upright...

Like going across your monitor from one side to the other...

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Unread 01-06-2013, 08:52 PM   #19
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What if* the weld is horizontal sorry. Like uphill gets most pentration but what if the weld u have to do is left to right
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Unread 01-07-2013, 01:39 AM   #20
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What if* the weld is horizontal sorry. Like uphill gets most pentration but what if the weld u have to do is left to right
you really need some scrap to practice on. If you have this many questions you need more practice... pads of beads help
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Unread 01-07-2013, 11:25 AM   #21
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Slowing down with a consistent pattern should help too imo. I like to do cursive Cs and come back about halfway through the previous one as I go. Makes for a much cleaner weld and gets good penetration.
He's welding uphill. He's running WAY too hot and cursive Cs are fine for welding horizontal or overhead or on top, but when welding uphill he should be tracing the front of the puddle with upside down Vs or Us.
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Unread 01-07-2013, 11:27 AM   #22
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That up hill is too hot because I see it eat a little of metal off the corners. So ill turn it down to D from E and slow the wire feed a little
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Is that accurate though
Its a good starting point. Then you can dial in your amperage on a piece of scrap to get a good clean sounding arc. Uphill is a ***** though, its just something that requires lots of patience and practice, I'm very very far from being good at it as well.
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Unread 01-07-2013, 11:37 AM   #24
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That up hill is too hot because I see it eat a little of metal off the corners. So ill turn it down to D from E and slow the wire feed a little
Read through the web page I linked earlier, watch the video, then read it again. When you go back to welding that part, grind out the welds, bevel the butted piece, set the machine for 1/8" material using the chart inside and try the technique.
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The biggest problem you are having is not getting "the eye" to see the difference between you slag puddle and metal puddle using fluxcore......
Try practicing some scrap and look for the difference in the 2,the slag will be more "liquid" and metal will sort of "freeze" faster...most learning any coated electrode have hard time seeing the difference between the 2 and think they are "drooping" the puddle when in fact it's just the slag.......
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I always just whip in and out on on horizontal and when doin vertical i turn the machine down a bit and do a uphill weave when im not running a machine that will oulse
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I ment pulse
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Unread 01-09-2013, 03:20 PM   #28
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I always just whip in and out on on horizontal and when doin vertical i turn the machine down a bit and do a uphill weave when im not running a machine that will oulse
A tiny weave is OK,or a very tiny circle.

Whipping in out of a puddle is a bad idea,especialy fluxcore or any flux coated electrode..it causes slag inclusion or AKA slag pockets inside the weld with fluxcore or stick welding that you'll never see unless you cut the weld or Xray or UT.
It also causes stress within the weld itself

Where you whip out of the puddle,you come back onto the area with slag covered,then the weld just covers over the slag,leaving a pocket of slag underneath....
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Unread 01-09-2013, 03:46 PM   #29
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Sorry i forgot he was using flux core wire i have no experience with flux core wire i usually just pulse vertical and usually whip t joints and butt welds and count 1. 2. 1. 2. ...... to keep the puddle consistent everyone welds a little different every once and a while ill practice diffrent welds cut them and put acid on a q tip and measure my penatration to keep the metal from warping put good strong tacks down an skip around on on what ur building so u dont get to much heat in one area
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Unread 01-09-2013, 04:49 PM   #30
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Okay thanks I just got my d ring mounts.


What's the difference from slag pool and metal pool ? I just look at the red hot circle in the arcing
And try to trace around it
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