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post #16 of 27 Old 09-09-2010, 06:06 AM
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When laying under a rig welding, I wear a leather welding jacket that's buttoned up tight to my neck. I also make sure I have ear plugs in.. last time I welded overhead without ear plugs, a piece of hot spatter flew down my ear and burned me good enough to hurt for 2 days. I could hear the hair burning.. or maybe it was skin? Anyhow.. ear plugs.


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post #17 of 27 Old 09-09-2010, 11:50 AM Thread Starter
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All good suggestions, thanks guys. And thanks for the suggestion on the ear plugs. that's a good idea. I have no idea how spatter made it under my hood while laying on my back last Saturday but it did so I can see it getting into an ear too. I'll be sure to do that the next time.

And a big thanks to John/Ironworker709 for going way out of his way to help me out on another welding project. John, you're one of the really good guys around here. Thank you!

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All good suggestions, thanks guys. And thanks for the suggestion on the ear plugs. that's a good idea. I have no idea how spatter made it under my hood while laying on my back last Saturday but it did so I can see it getting into an ear too. I'll be sure to do that the next time.

And a big thanks to John/Ironworker709 for going way out of his way to help me out on another welding project. John, you're one of the really good guys around here. Thank you!
No problem at all Jerry,this is a Jeep community and Jeep'rs are supposed to be one of the freindliest clans out there and helping each other out..

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When laying under a rig welding, I wear a leather welding jacket that's buttoned up tight to my neck. I also make sure I have ear plugs in.. last time I welded overhead without ear plugs, a piece of hot spatter flew down my ear and burned me good enough to hurt for 2 days. I could hear the hair burning.. or maybe it was skin? Anyhow.. ear plugs.
At my age..it would be hair..lol

Yes,ear plugs is a MUST for me,i've actualy seen an instance where hot slag rolled into an Ironworker's ear and he ended up with surgery,2 years out of work,and when he returned to work,figured out he coudn't do the work anymore because the busted ear drum messed with his equalibrium,he had no real sense of balance anymore.The docs said he was lucky to be alive,busting an ear drum can be deadly.

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welding overhead

I actually have spent numerous weekends under the jeep welding just about whatever you can think of. I have found that if you just use normal wire speed and heat and just spot weld, overlaying individual tack welds on top of each other you will have no problems with sagging welds. You get in a good rhythm and will end up with a very professional looking weld with no sacrifice in strength. It is barely slower than just running a bead once you get the hang of it
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I just welded up some brackets for an oil pan skid and had to weld it upside down on the engine mounts for the first time. I didnt think it was all that hard, just uncomfortable to say the least. Welding mask got in the way more then anything. Almost wish I had some goggles for the parts I wasnt directly under it. I just turned up the juice and used the start stop technique with a little slower wire speed. This will make penetration a little better sense you wont be on it very long.
Im going to try making a bead today using a fast wire speed and narrow bead just to try and make it look a little better for painting.

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I just turned up the juice and used the start stop technique with a little slower wire speed. This will make penetration a little better sense you wont be on it very long.

No,,that is actualy backwards,,staying ON a weldmant gets deeper penetration,the start and stop method gets much less penetration than a consistant pass of weld.

Slower wire speed makes the arc higher away from the weldmant,more or less just laying the weld on top of the base plate,less penetration..a proper wire speed will keep the arc into the weldmant where the heat and burn in is needed for penetration of the base plate.

When welding overhead,just place you're body on the side away from directly underneath and keep a watch in front if you're weld,not behind it,this way you see the burn in and fill,seeing what is behind the weld is too late to compensate for mistakes,it's already there...

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ya I understand that the start and stop technique will get less penetration, I read in another forum that if you slow down the wire speed a tad it can help compensate for it. Guess the correct wire speed is better so it stays in the weldmant longer?
Ive read soo many different forums on this subject, it seems like everyone has their own opinion.

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It's not an opinion,its a fact that the futher away from you're weldmant,the less penetration...a slower wire speed only keeps the wire burning further away....

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Glad to see this topic, I've been wondering how the best way to accomplish this was. I've always just welded faster, with varying results. Mostly, I try to flip whatever I work on over so I don't have to weld overhead, but that's obviously not possible all the time.


Oh, and it's weldMENT. Made me go off googling, wondering if there was some new term I didn't know what was.
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Glad to see this topic, I've been wondering how the best way to accomplish this was. I've always just welded faster, with varying results. Mostly, I try to flip whatever I work on over so I don't have to weld overhead, but that's obviously not possible all the time.


Oh, and it's weldMENT. Made me go off googling, wondering if there was some new term I didn't know what was.
Cool!..thanks for the english lessons!

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Cool!..thanks for the english lessons!

Par for course for a crazy ole hillbilly Ironhead...
Not trying to be the spelling nazi or anything, but I kept seeing that word, and figured if I was going to do much welding (going to take a CC class soon) I'd go in knowing a LITTLE of the subject material, so off to Google I went......

I do want to thank you for what you do here. I've read a TON of your posts about welding and such, and it's been VERY helpful.
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