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Unread 12-09-2007, 05:21 PM   #1
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Fold "down" spare tire carrier

Hey guy, having trouble finding something and was looking to get more info on it. I saw a picture one time of someone who had built a fold down tire carrier that when folded down, turned into a storage rack. Pretty genius. Can anyone help?

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Unread 12-11-2007, 01:42 PM   #2
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I've seen it done using a parallelogram and i've seen it as just a flip down. I believe Poison Spyder makes a carrier like your talking about.




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Unread 12-11-2007, 02:08 PM   #3
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I'd think lifting the tire up with that mount more than once in a day would get old mighty quick. For sure, that woman in the top photo would have a hell of a time lifting it up by herself.
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Unread 12-11-2007, 03:33 PM   #4
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I don't get it either. The only possible advantage I can see in it may be the possible tire protection availed from the frame of the thing. But a spare tire mounted high like that usually won't get any trail hits. I do think the advantages of the tire protection would sure be out weighted by all the disadvantages of laying that mass on the ground and picking it back up every time you need to open the tailgate. Bob
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I have seen a few pictures of steep climbs where the stinger has either saved a roll completely or made the jeep flop off to the side rather then straight over backwards.
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rollover protection and a skid for drop off protection
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Unread 12-11-2007, 05:58 PM   #7
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I have seen a few pictures of steep climbs where the stinger has either saved a roll completely or made the jeep flop off to the side rather then straight over backwards.
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rollover protection and a skid for drop off protection
Correct. We are talking about a hard core rig. Just stick the spare in back and put a stinger on the rear. For a family type rig I don't see any sense in it.
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Unread 12-13-2007, 05:59 AM   #8
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I agree this set up is not for everyone. I built mine because I have occasional back issues and it is easier for me to swing my tire carrier up than to thro my heavy A$$ 36" PJ and try to get it on the studs. In this application i just roll the tire onto the carrier and swing it upward. And also the stinger will help in a roll but I haven't tested that part out yet.
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hmmm....Not quite what I was describing. What I saw actually folded down like that poison spider, but when it did, it created a rack. And the wheel was underneith the rack. You could still drive with it.
It amost created a spare cargo rack like you plug into the hitch receiver. You could put a cooler on it for example.
It was really neet. I believe it was home-built.
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Unread 12-14-2007, 12:21 PM   #10
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I understand what you're talking about but I haven't see one. Sounds like a neat idea where it'd be like giving a Jeep it's own fold-down tail-gate to put stuff on.

Study the Poison spider version to see how they fit everything together. My guess is you'd probably have your main hinge on the bumper (like the PS rear stinger) with some anchor points on the body when its upright. It would be good to have some bushings to cut down on vibration noises. And when it's folded down I'd think you'd want a rigid strut or brace so it wouldn't bounce upward while driving.

I could see (with some difficulty) modifying thing so that perhaps the tailgate is incorporated into the rear fold down carrier or at least the tailgate folds down. That way, with the carrier folded down, and the tail-gate folded down it'd be like having a mini-pickup truck bed for longer cargo capacity. Maybe you can make some sides to it that can either fold up or are added to create a cargo box.

Just adding work for you here.
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for a trail rig, then i can see having the stinger/tire carrier combo. protects the rear tube/tire and giving a smoother transistion off of rocks. a buddy of mine has it on his sami. but if it was my DD, i wouldn't do it. it gets old really quick, pulling the pins and lowering the stinger/tire just to get to the rear area. and then reinstalling can be a pain to "pop" the bushings back in place and getting the pins reinstall.

another alternative is if you want that stinger concept is to make the stinger seperate from the tire carrier. my same buddy did it to his XJ. built the tire carrier first. wheeled it a few times and got tired of the tire slamming into rocks or obstacles. he built a stinger off the bumper and attached to the center of the tire, similar to the screw in method used in baja style tire carriers.
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just a thought, I never open my tailgate during daily driving, I have nothing there except recovery stuff. just a thought, how often do you use the "glove box" size space in the back?
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I have seen a few pictures of steep climbs where the stinger has either saved a roll completely or made the jeep flop off to the side rather then straight over backwards.
Picture a Jeep going up a steep climb, then picture how far the Jeep would have to be in its rearward roll for the stinger to even contact the ground. The Jeep would have to be well past vertical for the stinger to touch the ground and I don't see that stinger coming even close to stopping the building momentum.
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Picture a Jeep going up a steep climb, then picture how far the Jeep would have to be in its rearward roll for the stinger to even contact the ground. The Jeep would have to be well past vertical for the stinger to touch the ground and I don't see that stinger coming even close to stopping the building momentum.
Jerry, I was thinking a low speed side roll. Your right about the end-over-end, I think you'd be screwed either way
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Picture a Jeep going up a steep climb, then picture how far the Jeep would have to be in its rearward roll for the stinger to even contact the ground. The Jeep would have to be well past vertical for the stinger to touch the ground and I don't see that stinger coming even close to stopping the building momentum.
Unless it was a short steep climb, like a 4-5ft ledge.

I'll get some pictures off the net later. Its not the always going to save you, but depending on the type of trails they can be useful.
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