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Unread 03-09-2011, 11:15 AM   #1
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Comparing Specific Welders - Would like your opinions

Hello there,

I know there are a bunch of these threads in here so I apologize, however, I'm comparing specific welders so I kind of need my own thread if that's okay.

I've found some pretty good deals on these:

~Lincoln Electric Weld Pak 125 HD Wire Feed Welder

~Lincoln 3200

~Lincoln SP 135

Has anyone used these and what are your opinions? I'm keenly aware that there are far better, more powerful, capable machines out there, but I would just like to compare these three against each other and determine which one is the all-around better welder.

What are your thoughts and thanks in advance for the help!



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Unread 03-09-2011, 12:12 PM   #2
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I think are are pretty much all the same overall. The 3200 and the 135 I think are the same welder but different generations; and the 125 is the current gen entry level model. The 3200 is the oldest I think, then the 135, and I think the 125 is current. both the 3200 and the 135 are good for 135amps, and the 125 is only good for 125. The 125 is also only set up for flux core from the factory, and you need a conversion kit to run gas and solid wire, I belive the 3200 is the same.

The sp135 would be my choice of the 3, unless the 125 and gas kit was cheaper, then I might opt for the newer machine. What kind of "deals" have you found? Both the 3200 and 135 are outdated welders and therefore don't support as much of the new age goodies like seamless spool gun support (which the 125 does support, as I believe it is still their current model low end wire feed, although you do still need the gas kit for it) and dont have as nice a parts as the newer ones, like tooless polarity and drive changes.
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It's a 4.0 ... as long as there's something in the crank case that isn't coolant I'm sure it will still run forever.
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Unread 03-09-2011, 12:18 PM   #3
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Well here are the deals (they may not be really that amazing, but you get the idea):

135 - $495 for just the welder
125 - $390 for just the welder
3200 - $500 for the welder, cart, gas, spool of wire, and AD helmet

I'm tempted to go for the 3200 because it has everything, but now that I have all this info, which do you think is the best deal and second best?
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Unread 03-09-2011, 12:27 PM   #4
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Are they all used or new? They all seem overpriced if used, the 3200 only because it is an older machine.

I got a brand new Lincoln 140C (very high quality stuff BTW) for in the mid 5's, so I wouldn't even come close to the 135 for that price. the 3200 is nice because it already has the gas kit and a cart and tank and helmet (depending on the helmet it may add no value). I would pass, only because I know I can get better deals around here, but I don't know what the market is like in UT. Dont be afraid of Hobart too, they are made by miller and a bit cheaper usually.
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It's a 4.0 ... as long as there's something in the crank case that isn't coolant I'm sure it will still run forever.
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Unread 03-09-2011, 12:30 PM   #5
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Are they all used or new? They all seem overpriced if used, the 3200 only because it is an older machine.

I got a brand new Lincoln 140C (very high quality stuff BTW) for in the mid 5's, so I wouldn't even come close to the 135 for that price. the 3200 is nice because it already has the gas kit and a cart and tank and helmet (depending on the helmet it may add no value). I would pass, only because I know I can get better deals around here, but I don't know what the market is like in UT. Dont be afraid of Hobart too, they are made by miller and a bit cheaper usually.
The 125 is new, but the other two are used. Would you mind telling me what you think reasonable prices would be for all three deals? Thank you very much BTW for posting - this really helps me out.
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No problem. I did a butt load of research before I bought mine. I wish I had a 180, but 220v input wasn't much of an option at the time (couldn't afford miller 211 ). anyway...


Well I browse craigslist around here occasionally and I see 125-140 amp machines from lincoln and hobart and miller for sale quite often, and they usually are not over 500, normally in the 3-4 range and they often include a tank and cart. SO based off that I wouldn't be as comfortable paying so much for a used machine. The 3200 I think is around 8 years old now, so its going to have some wear and tear on it, and I believe all these have plastic drive assemblies so they don't last as long, but I don't know how long that actually is. Prices I would pay for those... hmm. the 135 maybe 350-400, the 125's 390 is probably spot on for a brand new one, and the 3200 around 400-450 max (it does come with a tank, which is not cheap).

I compare those machines to what you can get new (the 125 is new so ignoring that...), the 3200 and 135 are the same tier machines as the current generation 140T (T is tapped voltage control, and C is continuous, btw). However the 140's will accept the magnum 100sg spool gun natively, have solid aluminum drive assemblies, geared drive rollers (both are driven, not just one), which are also tooless changeable, along with the polarity connections (thumb scres). The 140T can be had for as low as 512 new, 455 factory reconditioned.

I would rather have a 140T factory reconditioned than a used 135 by far, and its the same price pretty much. The 3200 holds in there despite its age because it includes a tank, which can run you 150-250 for a new 80cf tank (smaller ones are a bit cheaper). So end decision is up to you, I don't know how much part quality, age, and money matters to you.
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It's a 4.0 ... as long as there's something in the crank case that isn't coolant I'm sure it will still run forever.
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Unread 03-09-2011, 12:43 PM   #7
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Consider a Hobart 140 it's in that price range
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Great input. Again, thank you, thank you, thank you.

The appeal of a whole set-up (gas, cart, mask, etc) is a big plus for me. I've welded before but am still very much in the beginner stage and would like to have a welder of my own that I can do basic stuff with. I know 220 is ideal but access to that won't be a possibility in the foreseeable future.

Here's another question. How would these welders compare to a Lincoln 100? That's the welder I've used so far and I've never had an issue with it.

I'm looking on some local classifieds but haven't checked Craigslist yet. Usually I don't find much on there locally when I've looked for other stuff, but it never hurts to look I guess.

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Check out my local craigslist options...

http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/s...inAsk=&maxAsk=
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I imagine the 100 it is in the class of the current 125 feature wise, but much older with a less output.

Is the 100 yours? If you already have a small MIG welder you are not getting a huge upgrade going to a newer/nicer 120v mig welder frankly.
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How would it compare to the 3200 would you say?
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I would imagine the internal parts are pretty much the same (drive assembly, gun and all that), but the 3200 has a 135 amp capacity, versus probably 100 for the 100 (they don't pull the numbers out of their ***, lol).
I really couldn't find any information on the 100 online (didn't spend as long looking as I did earlier though), so I don't know. I only know what I know about the others by google searching and finding the user manuals for them.
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Yeah, I was having the same problem. Because they're older models, you can't really find a whole lot. Hmmmm. I talked to the guy about the 3200 and tried to negotiate with him. He seems firm on not going below $450. Hmmmm.
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I bought a Lincoln 125 for home depot for $420, ran a roll of wire through it. It ran well, but returned it and got a Lincoln 140 from Ebay for $420 shipped. Really like the 140 but wish I would have bought the 180 for $500. The 180 has a better duty cycle (use time / cooling time). The stuff on Ebay is sometimes reconditioned but you can get good machine for a good price.
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Is the 180 110 or 220?
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The 180 is 220v, which seems to be the way to melt 1/4" plate with ease.
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