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Unread 08-28-2014, 04:20 PM   #1
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building a tube bumper

looking to have a winch tube bumper built and trying to decide if i need DOM or can use Schedule 20, 40, or 80. is the DOM worth the extra cost? this is all new to me so any help is appreciated.

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HREW. seamed tube.

DOM is not necessary for a bumper IMO. but pipe is not teh best choice either, i would (and do) use HREW tube. it has a a welded seam. Cheaper than DOM and comes in the same sizes, where pipe will be sized different
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Pipe is ok also. As Underpowered said the sizes are different as 4" pipe is actually 4.5". Schedule 40 is a good choice.
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ok, thanks. i'm having one built and he's asking me all these questions about what size i want and it's a lot of info.
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Usually tube bumpers are made from 1.75"x.120 tube. 1.5" or 1.25" is sometimes used for smaller filler pcs with less structural support.
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If using pipe,shedule 40 is most common to use for bumpers and such.

Just for an FYI for those who don't know...

HREW tube is the EXACT same thing as common Pipe,the only difference is the sizes,,they are both made of the same exact material and process and then rolled and seam welded

DOM even starts out as HREW,but is then ran through a Drawn Over a Mandrel process.....
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And "pipe" gets a protective coating applied.
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I thought pipe was a harder material than standard HREW. I have always been told sch 40 pipe was a little more resistant to dings than tube. Also pipe is measured inside diameter, tubing is measured outside diameter 1.5 sch 40 is like 1 5/8 outside diameter.
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Astm schedule 40 pipe is a different alloy than hrew and dom tube.. It's built to hold pressure rather be a structural building material. There is 'pipe size tubing' though, which comes in pipe sizes but is uncoated and A500 spec for structural use.

Nominal 1 1/2" pipe is 1.90" OD btw.
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would 12 gauge steel be good enough for the front skid? i live in FL and don't do any rock crawling.
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12 gauge is pretty light, it's thinner than 1/8". IMO 3/16" would be best regardless, you might encounter a rock or two even in FL.....
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ok, thanks for all the help. i think i have all the info i need.
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Astm schedule 40 pipe is a different alloy than hrew and dom tube.. It's built to hold pressure rather be a structural building material. There is 'pipe size tubing' though, which comes in pipe sizes but is uncoated and A500 spec for structural use.

Nominal 1 1/2" pipe is 1.90" OD btw.
This was always my understanding.

Pipe is in fact NOT the same as Hrew.
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Astm schedule 40 pipe is a different alloy than hrew and dom tube.. It's built to hold pressure rather be a structural building material. There is 'pipe size tubing' though, which comes in pipe sizes but is uncoated and A500 spec for structural use.

Nominal 1 1/2" pipe is 1.90" OD btw.
The most common NPS pipes seen and used is A53,the old A36 is pretty much become obsolete.
A53 pipe is for LOW pressure and structural uses..which is the most common schedule 40 mentioned here...........

The most common used HREW these people use and most cost effective is the A513-1..which has several chemical composition allowances according to ASTM from 1008-1015....

To really understand the actual chemical composition difference between the 2 would be to take a close look at the Carbon and Manganese contents in the material itself..then notice the very close if not exact alloy...

Also notice the "loose" requirements of percentages allowable to be "tagged" a certian ASTM

Also notice mills pouring the from the same "pot"(furnace) and spread out to different size tubing/pipe sizes and both HREW or CREW.(i've worked many of the US Steel,Bethlehem,RG Steel,,which is shutdown now in baltimore,etc plants on shutdowns and such and SEEN the actual processes).

If you want to get into a real freindly debate without cluttering this man's thread up anymore than it already has and add any expertise to the actual differences in pipe and tube chemical compositons and alloy mixtures in detail according to the ASTM grades..then lets do it over here and open this old thread up where a few of us who actulay work the trades and hands on expereince chimed in on some pretty good debates on pipe vs tubing to clear up some internet myths and mumbo jumbo...
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f37/p...00/index3.html

I'm all for it,for the fact i am in some pre-metalurgic studies at the moment on my own to be more than ready for an AWS-CWI school and test and venture into the WE side of it too(welding engineer)..and i am getting some GREAT help from a GE-Engineer i have known for years as a scheduler on these nuke outages and just this outage he moved up to the new Project manager/engineer for GE now and we are trying to help design some new lifting rigs to make the heavy lifting jobs much easier,safer and quicker..and we have to be "on our toes" so to speak when presenting these designs to the people who will actualy approve the money spent to build these..and that includes knowing the type of steel and such we will be using in our plans..

So i'm all for another debate in that thread to update it if you all like.

Bottom line here,,if i have a choice between common HREW and common NPS pipe and the pipe size fits the purpose..I'd more than likely buy the cheaper priced pipe over the higher priced HREW....

And..i will only reply as i can..i am at the moment in the middle of a Pre-outage prepping for another Turbine outage with GE on overtime and will be on 7-13's and more for a month or 2 in a week or so now..thats why i haven't been around in the past week much
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