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post #1 of 16 Old 11-28-2008, 09:34 PM Thread Starter
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Another welding help thread, complete newbs need some a shove in the right driection

So my friend and I have just acquired two welders, a stick (Lincoln AC/DC 225/125) and a MIG (Century welder rated at 90 amps and 120 volts). We were lucky enough to get these both brand new at the grand price of free, but unfortunately neither of us has a clue in this world what were doing. We've been trying to find anything we can online, but haven't found much thats very useful so if any of you would be kind enough to point us to some links that could help us get started or maybe suggest which welder we should start with while we are trying to learn it would be much appreciated. Sorry as I'm sure this type of stuff comes up a whole lot on here. I've searched and couldnt find what I was looking for, if its out there and I missed it feel free to torch me (as long as you provide a link to the thread ofcourse) Thanks in advance everyone.

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i find that mig is easier to do.

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Something I found very useful before firing up my welder was to just see a ton of videos on youtube for a general idea of what to and what not to do.

The most helpful ones I found were the ATI welding class previews.

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...rch_type=&aq=f

In particular:
Introduction
MIG basics
Flux-core MIG welding
Controlling the puddle

Don't forget to wear the right protective clothing and welding helmet. An auto-darkening helmet is a great help and will benefit you so you can really see what is going on.

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Thanks for the links! those will be a great help for sure.
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Oh and the most important thing to do is PRACTICE! Just get some scrap stuff, cut up your parents' lawnmower, steal a shopping cart and cut it up, just find stuff and practice sticking things together. Then take hammers to it and try to destroy it to see how well you did.

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the indianapolis art center, in broadripple, offers some welding classes for sculpture. i took a couple there and they were pretty helpful in learning techniques and different welders. only cost a couple hundred bucks if i remember correctly.

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Oh and the most important thing to do is PRACTICE! Just get some scrap stuff, cut up your parents' lawnmower, steal a shopping cart and cut it up, just find stuff and practice sticking things together. Then take hammers to it and try to destroy it to see how well you did.
Thats what we spent most of tonight doing, trying to weld washers to steel and stuff, we decided we needed a little more guidance
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the indianapolis art center, in broadripple, offers some welding classes for sculpture. i took a couple there and they were pretty helpful in learning techniques and different welders. only cost a couple hundred bucks if i remember correctly.
Ill definitely have to look into those in the summer, but currently Im too busy at college and much too poor with my job being only in the summer haha. Thanks for the tip though!
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I believe Hobart has a forum like this one only all about welding. At least they used to...

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Yup, here it is.

http://www.hobartwelders.com/weldtalk/

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Miller has a few 3-4 minute clips on their site also. I'm sure You tube will have a lot more. Miller just wants you to buy the DVD's.

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This book is real good:

"Welder's Handbook, RevisedHP1513: A Guide to Plasma Cutting, Oxyacetylene, ARC, MIG and TIG Welding"

You can get it on http://www.amazon.com

The original "Welders Handbook" is good too and starts out with the basics of gas welding.

Miller has a lot of good information on their website: http://www.millerwelds.com

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Thanks for all the help everyone, I really appreciate it!
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All great ideas.... I have been a welder since 93, here is a few hints I can offer.... Little circles going from one part to the other... make sure the heat (and the weld) hit both parts and get penetration with the heat. Go find something that has a nice weld on it, get two pieces of steel and try to make your welds look like that. Slow down, that is the biggest mistake most new welders make. Look (with the welding hood on) at the point of the Arc (talking mig here) you want the arc to be melting at the steel not above. If it is melting above the metal turn the heat (voltage) down or the wire speed up. Always try to weld down or horizontal so your welds don't droop. If you can't clean your metal real nice get Tri gas...(instead of 75/25 Argon/CO2 you get 73/25/2 the two being O2 to burn off the impurities) Listen to your weld, a nice hot weld has a bacon fry sound, if it sputters adjust your welder, if you feel the welder kick back turn down your wire speed you are not melting the wire as fast as it is coming out of the tip. Never weld without gas, it makes for spongy welds and lets the tip get hot and melt. Have fun and don't rush, a weld takes time to develop... If you have more questions just ask us we can help, You want lessons come on I will put you to work with me.... we can destroy a few new trucks and make my boss cry.

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All great ideas.... I have been a welder since 93, here is a few hints I can offer.... Little circles going from one part to the other... make sure the heat (and the weld) hit both parts and get penetration with the heat. Go find something that has a nice weld on it, get two pieces of steel and try to make your welds look like that. Slow down, that is the biggest mistake most new welders make. Look (with the welding hood on) at the point of the Arc (talking mig here) you want the arc to be melting at the steel not above. If it is melting above the metal turn the heat (voltage) down or the wire speed up. Always try to weld down or horizontal so your welds don't droop. If you can't clean your metal real nice get Tri gas...(instead of 75/25 Argon/CO2 you get 73/25/2 the two being O2 to burn off the impurities) Listen to your weld, a nice hot weld has a bacon fry sound, if it sputters adjust your welder, if you feel the welder kick back turn down your wire speed you are not melting the wire as fast as it is coming out of the tip. Never weld without gas, it makes for spongy welds and lets the tip get hot and melt. Have fun and don't rush, a weld takes time to develop... If you have more questions just ask us we can help, You want lessons come on I will put you to work with me.... we can destroy a few new trucks and make my boss cry.

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