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Unread 03-04-2013, 10:59 AM   #16
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Use air entrained it will resist cracking in temp swings. I would alos look at fiber re-enforced, makes it way less likely to crack from a point load and should only add a coupla bucks to the total cost. I won't do a driveway/side walk with out it. I warranty my stuff for @ 5 years and I hate callbacks.

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,^^^^ this and make sure that your subgrade is compacted nice and tight. Fiber is the ****. Why only a 4" slab. All the slabs i do that are getting car weight i do 5"-5 1/2" .

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Unread 03-06-2013, 06:58 PM   #18
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Ill probably go with 5"s of slab at this point. Having an issue with the electrical main going to the house being under the back corner of the shed. They wanna charge me a ridiculous amount to redo the wire around the shed.

One question I have though is, what to do with the subgrades. I was gonna put 1-2"s of rock on top of existing soil (wich is pretty compact and doesnt shift much in colorado) then put about an inch or so of road base on top of it. Noone has givin me a definate answer for some reason about wich way to do it.

Am I supposed to put rock then road base on top, or am I supposed to put road base then rock???

Also do I compact the soil, then put the 2"s of rock and compact it, then put the road base then compact it or just compact it one time when everythings on?
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If your subgrade ( dirt) is hard i wouldn't worry about compacting that. As for the gravel you could get away with 2", i would do 4". Then compact that. Ive been doing concrete for 16 years and i always do 4"-6" of gravel then 5"-5 1/2" of concrete. Also don't forgot to put in cut joints when you pour the concrete. They "tell " the concrete where to crack ( which it will eventually) You could tool them in when you pour, or call a concrete sawing company and have them sawed after your done finishing the slab. As a rule of thumb you want to keep the squares about the same size. So if your slab is an 18' x 20' you could cut it at 9' and 10'.

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If your subgrade ( dirt) is hard i wouldn't worry about compacting that. As for the gravel you could get away with 2", i would do 4". Then compact that. Ive been doing concrete for 16 years and i always do 4"-6" of gravel then 5"-5 1/2" of concrete. Also don't forgot to put in cut joints when you pour the concrete. They "tell " the concrete where to crack ( which it will eventually) You could tool them in when you pour, or call a concrete sawing company and have them sawed after your done finishing the slab. As a rule of thumb you want to keep the squares about the same size. So if your slab is an 18' x 20' you could cut it at 9' and 10'.

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Apparently the soil/clay here is very expansive. How do I compensate for this?
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Apparently the soil/clay here is very expansive. How do I compensate for this?
If your soil is solid I would just put 3"-4" of gravel over your existing soil. Then go pick up a walk behind plate compactor ( from a local rental yard) get the gravel wet and pack it down with the plate.

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So I shoveled and leveled 4 cubic yards of rocks, wich was perfectly 4"s of rocks. Then went over it 6 times with a plate compactor. Then put the rebar through the concrete piers. Then put up and leveled the concrete 2x6 forms and made them exactly 20ft W x 20ft L. Then finished putting in the rebar and spacing them 2"s off the rocks. Got everything ready to pour and level the concrete. Called the concrete company and....... Theyre not open on weekends. I hate u concrete company.
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Looks good. Did you tie the rebar together at the intersecting points? If not when you start pouring the concrete it's going to move on you and there goes your nice 2'x2' squares.
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Looks good. Did you tie the rebar together at the intersecting points? If not when you start pouring the concrete it's going to move on you and there goes your nice 2'x2' squares.
No I didnt but I will now that u suggested it. I thought about putting it together with string but then thought it was gonna be to weak of a material. So Ill just find some bailing wire. Thanks.
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Make sure you don't have any rocks under where two pieces intersect, it makes a weak spot and I have found they corrode faster when you use rocks for "chairs".
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Make sure you don't have any rocks under where two pieces intersect, it makes a weak spot and I have found they corrode faster when you use rocks for "chairs".

What would be better then rocks? If I use metal it could corrode from the bottom up faster.
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What would be better then rocks? If I use metal it could corrode from the bottom up faster.
Use the rocks just move them away from where the rebar intersects. Also put the rocks on the bottom rebar that way when you step on the rebar while pouring you don't break the tie and then your rebar ends up on the floor ( gravel)

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I have used PVC pipe cut to length and then cut a V notch it it on a table saw for the rebar to sit in, or you can buy the premade wire chairs from Lowes or Home depot. The are @$.010 each out here, then I wire them to the rebar and no worries about it falling off or the rebar landing on the ground when pouring.

But what ever you use, keep it away from the intersections of the rebar and don't for get to overlap the ends of the rebar @12" when you have to join them on long runs. Tie them with wire in 3 places.
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don't for get to overlap the ends of the rebar @12" when you have to join them on long runs. Tie them with wire in 3 places.
Im not 100% sure what u mean by this. but I have them tied together at every intersection and on the ends as well. I also made sure to take the rocks away from the intersections.
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I think what he means is if you used say 2 pieces of rebar 10' long to make up 1 20' length, where the two overlap make sure to give it a 12" overlap.

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