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Unread 09-20-2010, 07:50 PM   #1
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110v welder able to burn spring perches?

I have a smaller Lincoln 135.

I run fluxcore, and have made sliders, bumper mods, some trailer decking, but nothing real thick.

I need to put some spring perches on my rear d44. There are some on it now that I've been running, but my driveline angle is off, hard on u joints, so it's time to fix it proper. I have new spring perches.

I was thinking if I pull the axle, get it very cleaned up, and after getting it all set/measured, I could turn up the welder all the way and mount the spring perches.

Should I consider finding a welder with more heat? This would be my thickest metal welded after 3/16" on my trailer. I trust my ability to run a good bead, but not sure about penetration.

Thanks for any thoughts or advise.

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Unread 09-20-2010, 08:05 PM   #2
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Should no problem.. I have used my miller 135 to weld perches on before I got my 230. Just take it slow so the heat sinks in.. I know when I did it I got the tubes orange so it should be plenty hot enough..
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Should no problem.. I have used my miller 135 to weld perches on before I got my 230. Just take it slow so the heat sinks in.. I know when I did it I got the tubes orange so it should be plenty hot enough..
I take it your 230 is a Hobart Ironman 230?

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Those D44 tubes are 1/4" thick and large areas.. they'll whisk away heat quickly. If it were my axle, I think I'd tack the perches in place with the little welder and find somebody with a 220 welder to burn 'em in good.

If you were closer, I'd say just swing by the shop and I'd hit them with my Miller 210... I do it all the time for the local guys.
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Those D44 tubes are 1/4" thick and large areas.. they'll whisk away heat quickly. If it were my axle, I think I'd tack the perches in place with the little welder and find somebody with a 220 welder to burn 'em in good.

If you were closer, I'd say just swing by the shop and I'd hit them with my Miller 210... I do it all the time for the local guys.
X2..any 110 volt welder just doesnt get much heat going for 1/4",let alone a spring perch where you're life depends on it,plus if it breaks on hard trails you'll be repairing more than just spring perches...

I also had a Lincoln 135,did a great job on alot of things,but i would of never trusted it to weld anything suspension/drivetrain wise.
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I appreciate the thoughts all. I'll get it all measured and ready then tack them. I had a ton of offers from guys in our club but nothings easy living in the sticks, and all the club members are all spread out and an hour north.

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will the world end if it breaks off? personally, if it isn't going to cause a major issue of expense or time or damage i would try it. if the worst that can happen is a reasonably quick fix job what's the harm?
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Dunno. I think for my purposes 110v would hold, but it can't hurt to go hotter with all the dudes in our group who have 220v available.

Just gotta take it apart and clean it up, get it ready to go.
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will the world end if it breaks off? personally, if it isn't going to cause a major issue of expense or time or damage i would try it. if the worst that can happen is a reasonably quick fix job what's the harm?
If the spring perches break lose you've got problems. It will ruin the driveshaft when you hit the brakes since there will be nothing to keep the axle from rotating with the force that is applied in braking or acclerating. Yes it is a bad thing. I had it happen.
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If the spring perches break lose you've got problems. It will ruin the driveshaft when you hit the brakes since there will be nothing to keep the axle from rotating with the force that is applied in braking or acclerating. Yes it is a bad thing. I had it happen.
X2..not to mention if you happen to have to hit the brakes hard and the busted spring perch slides to the back on the spring,,ever see a rear stear try and turn at 50 MPH?....

Or even yet,hard acceleration and it slides the other way,causing the rear to stear the other way....

ANYTHING that has to do with a suspension is safety and life dependant on the road
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Plus, it's kind of a PITA to reweld a perch that busted the weld.. you gotta try and clean the area up and weld around the Ubolts.. or remove them again. With something like a perch, why gamble?.. especially if the axle is coming out from under the vehicle already. Not all that much trouble to toss it in a truck/trunk and have someone burn it in with some power.
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it will be fine, just take your time, 98% of my suspension was burned in by me with my 140, and the only thing to come back apart on me has been something that I got in a hurry and forgot to finish burning in, it was only tacked in place, and still lasted longer than it should have
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Just take you time to weld them on I welded on a semi axle with a 140 amp 110 welder with no problems. Now I did do 3 passes but it do the job. So I'm sure you can get away with a 110v 135 amp welder. Even when you do have a 220v 185 amp welder you are not running the welder all the way up so 135 amps is the same weather at 110v or 220v. Granted you can weld long period of time with the 220v welder then the 110v. Now I would suggest to get .035 wire to weld with not .030 wire. Set you wire speed till you have a nice sizzle while welding. No popping or spitting as you weld. If you have doughts about your single pass then do 3 passes.One in the middle of the joints then one above and another below you first pass.
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I appreciate the thoughts all. I'll get it all measured and ready then tack them. I had a ton of offers from guys in our club but nothings easy living in the sticks, and all the club members are all spread out and an hour north.

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It never ceases to amaze me the guys that will argue welding do's and don't's with guys that do this stuff for a living. It would be like me telling my flight instructor with 5,000 + hrs that he doesn't know WTF he is talking about with stall recovery because I stayed in a Holiday Inn last night and my home built AC hasn't had the wings fall off yet in 10hrs of flight time.

Taking shortcuts on a safety item/system is a sure fire way to ensure a less than favorable out come. If something ever does break loose resulting in an accident, you had better hope that they over look the shoddy welds. If the accident results in a fatality better believe the State Police and the Ins. Co. are going to be looking at everything with a fine tooth comb. Is saving $60-$100 dollars worth that? Criminal negligence and the civil liabilities would seem to out weigh the "easy fix".
But hey, I slept in a Holiday Inn once or twice, what do I know...
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