Suck down winch - JeepForum.com
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 14 Old 04-17-2012, 08:57 AM Thread Starter
badbird17x
Web Wheeler
 
badbird17x's Avatar
1994 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: lisbon
Posts: 3,988
Suck down winch

I am wondering if I could run a fnr suck down winch in place of limiter straps? Also have found they are good for climbing, but what are the other uses for suck down winches?


94 jz, bruiser, la, cage,5.3 ls, 36 swampers 98 jz, the mutt, 3.5 iro, 33 swampers, avalanche conversion, 02 north face avalanche blacked out work truck, 06 rhino R1 engine, 4x4, Leeroy's custom paint, 04 escalade wifes truck 22s, 03 duramax 18s, completely blacked out, efilive by nick, wicked wicked truck, 39 chop chevy rod, aluminum 5.3 ls, 08 apex, 310hp mcx turbo, holz 162, completely black, CCM built.
badbird17x is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 14 Old 04-17-2012, 09:35 AM
Ripper3494
Registered User
1994 YJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Warrenville
Posts: 5,741
I would deff not use a suckdown winch to replace limiting straps. But other uses are to fit under stuff easier, hill climbs...and thats about it. I think theyre overrated and if you have your suspension set up right you wont need a suckdown winch for hillclimbs anyway

build thread:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/9...-spud-1218315/
1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/a...te-up-1301614/
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/t...ation-1417686/
RC vs BDS
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/r...s-bds-1461555/
Ripper3494 is offline  
post #3 of 14 Old 04-17-2012, 11:02 AM Thread Starter
badbird17x
Web Wheeler
 
badbird17x's Avatar
1994 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: lisbon
Posts: 3,988
Why would they not work as limiters? My thinking is that they would be a teeter that once one side hits the bumpstop the other wouldn't be able to droop any further, or wouldn't that work?

94 jz, bruiser, la, cage,5.3 ls, 36 swampers 98 jz, the mutt, 3.5 iro, 33 swampers, avalanche conversion, 02 north face avalanche blacked out work truck, 06 rhino R1 engine, 4x4, Leeroy's custom paint, 04 escalade wifes truck 22s, 03 duramax 18s, completely blacked out, efilive by nick, wicked wicked truck, 39 chop chevy rod, aluminum 5.3 ls, 08 apex, 310hp mcx turbo, holz 162, completely black, CCM built.
badbird17x is offline  
post #4 of 14 Old 04-17-2012, 11:13 AM
Hussler
Registered User
1992 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: utica, new york
Posts: 5,293
Quote:
Originally Posted by badbird17x View Post
Why would they not work as limiters? My thinking is that they would be a teeter that once one side hits the bumpstop the other wouldn't be able to droop any further, or wouldn't that work?
Because the winch is centered I don't think it will have much affect on articulation.

You would have to cut down the wire to the point where it is no longer spooled at full droop, which means you are relying on very little holding that cable to the winch IE the little retaining bolt.

Now if you wanted to install a winch for each wheel that would be interesting LOL

Quote:
Originally Posted by chris87xj View Post
Sometimes a restoration project is a labor of love, at which point cost, time, and labor involved become irrelevant.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BorderC View Post
I see you also twizzled your scart lead. Well done! :thumbsup:
92 XJ with ARB's, 5" lift, too much armor, 33's and some other garbage
Hussler is offline  
post #5 of 14 Old 04-17-2012, 11:19 AM Thread Starter
badbird17x
Web Wheeler
 
badbird17x's Avatar
1994 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: lisbon
Posts: 3,988
My problem is trying to fit 4 limiters on my narrow axle rig with 18 in coilovers. I was thinking of running a 2 in strap spooled on the winch instead of cable, but I could also have a safety chain or something that never lets either side go too far?

94 jz, bruiser, la, cage,5.3 ls, 36 swampers 98 jz, the mutt, 3.5 iro, 33 swampers, avalanche conversion, 02 north face avalanche blacked out work truck, 06 rhino R1 engine, 4x4, Leeroy's custom paint, 04 escalade wifes truck 22s, 03 duramax 18s, completely blacked out, efilive by nick, wicked wicked truck, 39 chop chevy rod, aluminum 5.3 ls, 08 apex, 310hp mcx turbo, holz 162, completely black, CCM built.
badbird17x is offline  
post #6 of 14 Old 04-17-2012, 02:16 PM
dayriesw
Web Wheeler
 
dayriesw's Avatar
1987 MJ Comanche 
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 6,130
Plus if you ever have to use your winch for winching, then you have nothing limiting your axles.

06 WK 5.7 Hemi Overland - Daily
87 MJ Chief 57k original miles... getting built in the backyard. 37s, waggy axles, D300, 6 speed, etc.

Gone - 05 LJ on 37s, 79 FSJ Chief on 38s, 85 CJ-7 on 31s
dayriesw is offline  
post #7 of 14 Old 04-17-2012, 02:25 PM Thread Starter
badbird17x
Web Wheeler
 
badbird17x's Avatar
1994 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: lisbon
Posts: 3,988
I'd buy a front and rear suck down dedicated winches, and still keep my receiver mounted winch for pulling.

94 jz, bruiser, la, cage,5.3 ls, 36 swampers 98 jz, the mutt, 3.5 iro, 33 swampers, avalanche conversion, 02 north face avalanche blacked out work truck, 06 rhino R1 engine, 4x4, Leeroy's custom paint, 04 escalade wifes truck 22s, 03 duramax 18s, completely blacked out, efilive by nick, wicked wicked truck, 39 chop chevy rod, aluminum 5.3 ls, 08 apex, 310hp mcx turbo, holz 162, completely black, CCM built.
badbird17x is offline  
post #8 of 14 Old 04-17-2012, 02:28 PM
Hussler
Registered User
1992 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: utica, new york
Posts: 5,293
Quote:
Originally Posted by badbird17x View Post
My problem is trying to fit 4 limiters on my narrow axle rig with 18 in coilovers. I was thinking of running a 2 in strap spooled on the winch instead of cable, but I could also have a safety chain or something that never lets either side go too far?
There should be a **** ton of spots you can mount regular straps too, people mount them on their radius arms, axle truss, axle control arm bolts ect. As long as they are away from any moving parts and are not far off the traveling path of the suspension on one side of the vehicle.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dayriesw View Post
Plus if you ever have to use your winch for winching, then you have nothing limiting your axles.
Separate winch from your tow winch, they are usually small >1000lbs winches mounted beneath the jeep or just above the floor on the inside. One time I saw one that had a pulley rigged through the floor in the front with the pulley bolted to the engine

Quote:
Originally Posted by chris87xj View Post
Sometimes a restoration project is a labor of love, at which point cost, time, and labor involved become irrelevant.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BorderC View Post
I see you also twizzled your scart lead. Well done! :thumbsup:
92 XJ with ARB's, 5" lift, too much armor, 33's and some other garbage
Hussler is offline  
post #9 of 14 Old 04-17-2012, 02:34 PM Thread Starter
badbird17x
Web Wheeler
 
badbird17x's Avatar
1994 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: lisbon
Posts: 3,988
Barely made room for the coilovers. Would they be strong enough on the arms. Tom woods wants one on the pinion as well. Wouldn't a good center one fix it all?
Attached Thumbnails
image-915819996.jpg   image-721612945.jpg   image-2221933496.jpg   image-4232993637.jpg  

94 jz, bruiser, la, cage,5.3 ls, 36 swampers 98 jz, the mutt, 3.5 iro, 33 swampers, avalanche conversion, 02 north face avalanche blacked out work truck, 06 rhino R1 engine, 4x4, Leeroy's custom paint, 04 escalade wifes truck 22s, 03 duramax 18s, completely blacked out, efilive by nick, wicked wicked truck, 39 chop chevy rod, aluminum 5.3 ls, 08 apex, 310hp mcx turbo, holz 162, completely black, CCM built.
badbird17x is offline  
post #10 of 14 Old 04-17-2012, 04:09 PM Thread Starter
badbird17x
Web Wheeler
 
badbird17x's Avatar
1994 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: lisbon
Posts: 3,988
Just bought 5 30in limit straps because they where $7 a piece at fleet farm. Also picked up a 3000lb super winch for $120. What should my plan be? Suck down, limiters, or both.

94 jz, bruiser, la, cage,5.3 ls, 36 swampers 98 jz, the mutt, 3.5 iro, 33 swampers, avalanche conversion, 02 north face avalanche blacked out work truck, 06 rhino R1 engine, 4x4, Leeroy's custom paint, 04 escalade wifes truck 22s, 03 duramax 18s, completely blacked out, efilive by nick, wicked wicked truck, 39 chop chevy rod, aluminum 5.3 ls, 08 apex, 310hp mcx turbo, holz 162, completely black, CCM built.
badbird17x is offline  
post #11 of 14 Old 04-17-2012, 06:42 PM
Hussler
Registered User
1992 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: utica, new york
Posts: 5,293
Well I believe the center of the axle pretty much stays on the same plane when articulating horizontally (not uphill or downhill) so it wouldn't actually limit anything (unless your problem is the unloading of the front or rear suspension up or down a hill)

Are you going to run two uppers? Thats quite the big setup for one upper, not good for mr. pinion angle with some torque applied.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chris87xj View Post
Sometimes a restoration project is a labor of love, at which point cost, time, and labor involved become irrelevant.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BorderC View Post
I see you also twizzled your scart lead. Well done! :thumbsup:
92 XJ with ARB's, 5" lift, too much armor, 33's and some other garbage
Hussler is offline  
post #12 of 14 Old 04-17-2012, 07:25 PM Thread Starter
badbird17x
Web Wheeler
 
badbird17x's Avatar
1994 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: lisbon
Posts: 3,988
If its a bad idea I'm fine with that. Im just visualizing a teeter totter off the cable in the center, once one side hits a bump stop the other side can't droop anymore. Right now it seems to me the easiest route would be a limit strap in the center stopping droop off the bumpstop, then have the suck down winch for a suck down winch. I also don't see why it wouldn't work in the rear, but my rear is simple to limit strap as there is tons of room, and I don't see a need to suck it down.

94 jz, bruiser, la, cage,5.3 ls, 36 swampers 98 jz, the mutt, 3.5 iro, 33 swampers, avalanche conversion, 02 north face avalanche blacked out work truck, 06 rhino R1 engine, 4x4, Leeroy's custom paint, 04 escalade wifes truck 22s, 03 duramax 18s, completely blacked out, efilive by nick, wicked wicked truck, 39 chop chevy rod, aluminum 5.3 ls, 08 apex, 310hp mcx turbo, holz 162, completely black, CCM built.
badbird17x is offline  
post #13 of 14 Old 04-17-2012, 09:10 PM Thread Starter
badbird17x
Web Wheeler
 
badbird17x's Avatar
1994 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: lisbon
Posts: 3,988
Full droop, ride height, full squat. Not as bad as I was imagining.
Attached Thumbnails
image-2209640689.jpg   image-3384399077.jpg   image-3078049882.jpg  

94 jz, bruiser, la, cage,5.3 ls, 36 swampers 98 jz, the mutt, 3.5 iro, 33 swampers, avalanche conversion, 02 north face avalanche blacked out work truck, 06 rhino R1 engine, 4x4, Leeroy's custom paint, 04 escalade wifes truck 22s, 03 duramax 18s, completely blacked out, efilive by nick, wicked wicked truck, 39 chop chevy rod, aluminum 5.3 ls, 08 apex, 310hp mcx turbo, holz 162, completely black, CCM built.
badbird17x is offline  
post #14 of 14 Old 04-17-2012, 09:15 PM Thread Starter
badbird17x
Web Wheeler
 
badbird17x's Avatar
1994 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: lisbon
Posts: 3,988
This is how I'm envisioning said limiter.
Attached Thumbnails
image-2426795370.jpg  

94 jz, bruiser, la, cage,5.3 ls, 36 swampers 98 jz, the mutt, 3.5 iro, 33 swampers, avalanche conversion, 02 north face avalanche blacked out work truck, 06 rhino R1 engine, 4x4, Leeroy's custom paint, 04 escalade wifes truck 22s, 03 duramax 18s, completely blacked out, efilive by nick, wicked wicked truck, 39 chop chevy rod, aluminum 5.3 ls, 08 apex, 310hp mcx turbo, holz 162, completely black, CCM built.
badbird17x is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the JeepForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid e-mail address for yourself.



Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome