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Unread 02-08-2013, 10:34 PM   #1
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Another axle?

Ive posted before about using a scout front axle on my cj. I have another idea although I dont know if it will work. What Im thinking is could I use a full width housing, use a spring pad on the passenger side instead of the one made into the housing, cut the driver side down to make it scout width and not have to outboard my springs. The reason Id like to do that is to get out of outboarding the springs, and buy using a spring pad I can easily flip them to do a soa later on. Is this doable?

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Unread 02-08-2013, 10:55 PM   #2
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Given the right axle, yes, its doable.

I decided to outboard mine - it was easy IMHO.
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Unread 02-09-2013, 12:03 PM   #3
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I just went to look at a wagoneer axle from craigslist and it turned out to be a scout just like the one I already have. Probably need to measure a full width chevy or dodge to get what Im wanting anyway.
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Unread 02-10-2013, 04:11 PM   #4
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I've read that if you cut 4" off the long side of a chevy truck front D44 that a waggy shaft will fit the remaining long side. That would not be hard to check up on.
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Unread 02-11-2013, 04:30 AM   #5
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There are enough Dana 44 axle shaft lengths, that you can come up with about any width you could possibly need.
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Unread 02-12-2013, 12:54 AM   #6
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I just called the biggest of five junk yards in town and they have no chevy's from the seventies, imagine that.
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Unread 02-12-2013, 08:44 AM   #7
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You won't find a FW axle that goes under the CJ without out-boarding. You can build one, but it would be easier to outboard. I have built a HPD44 with F150 inner short side and 80+ Waggy inner long side, but it was a LOT of unreasonable work.
What is your ultimate goal? FW or CJ width?
If you want CJ width, read up on how to cut down a housing and either have the axles cut down or buy 30-spline axles at CJ widths.
If you want wider, then outboard.

I don't recommend the Scout axle, necessarily, as it has D30 outers. If you want stronger parts, go full D44. You can use Any Jeep or Chevy axle and put Ford hubs/rotors on it to keep the 5x5.5 lug pattern if you want, but the only choices for rear axle (without custom shafts) will be a Scout II or a Ford 9".
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Unread 02-12-2013, 11:54 AM   #8
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My goal is to match the scout dana 44 rear that Im already running in my jeep, and then be able to do either a sua or a soa without cutting into the center section to make the spring pad. The scout front is approximately 6" from center of spring pad to the C. If I find a wider housing that has a short side tube around 8-9" I should be able to use spring pad on the tube not the center section and cut the long side down. One problem Im coming up with is if the short tube is longer than 8-9" it will make the diff housing closer to the center of the frame, which would cause driveshaft clearance problems. I just need to find some housings and measure them, which apparently around here is going to be hard!
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Unread 02-12-2013, 03:41 PM   #9
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Yes... that's what I ran into. Basically I took the measurements from the CJ axle and found two shafts that added the same approximate from there. If you have one that is a little more longer than the other, it should be the short side to compensate for the slightly larger housing, too. Again, I went with a F150 axle cut down to late waggy long side, but I swapped the short and long tubes to get passenger side drop and still have high pinion. This is a LOT of work, so I recommend a 70's GMC D44, and cut the long side down to fit a TJ Rubicon long shaft.

A convenient reference for lengths is here.

http://www.sierragear.com/performanc...y-axle-shafts/
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Unread 02-12-2013, 10:51 PM   #10
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Did you do the tube swap yourself or did you take it to a shop?
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Unread 02-12-2013, 11:15 PM   #11
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I did it, sorta. But my friend used his torch to burn out some plug welds. But it definitely wasn't that simple. I started with two housings I got cheap (free after parting stuff out) and cut the long side to correct short side length. Then, I cut the short side flush and pie-cut what was left and chiseled out (after plugs welds burned out). Then I actually cut the housing away from long tube on other axle to save tube... Totally destroyed housing. Finally, I pressed that tube into first housing. There are other details as far as narrowing to fit Waggy long inner shaft, etc., but this is how I swapped sides. All of that was just to get passenger side drop in a High Pinion D44. It also could have been done with a cut/sleeve, but I went with what I had.

Narrowing is altogether different. I think anyone with a grinder, a good welder (220v high amp), and a clue could build a Chevy LP D44 with TJ inner long axle and be good to go on matched with Ford hubs/rotors and mated to Scout II rear.

Otherwise, sell rear, buy Waggy axles/wheels or Chevy axles/wheels and outboard front.
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Unread 02-12-2013, 11:53 PM   #12
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Just by looking at the link you posted I think a chevy front is the way to go for me.
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Unread 02-13-2013, 06:20 AM   #13
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I am no expert or pioneer in this, just someone who has read everything there is on the web about these... lol.

There is a lot of really comprehensive material out there and can even be overwhelming. One site that makes it a little clearer, I think, is http://cutandturn.com

Also, if you hit any snags along the way, as here on JF or PM me before you move forward.

Your easiest formula: 70's or 80's Chevy D44 w/6 lug (NOT 10b), narrowed to take TJ long side inner axle shaft, with hubs/rotors swapped for 79 F150.

For comparison, I found these pictures on http://justchevytrucks.com


The 10b (left) has a more rounded looking cover, but more notable are the two square corners in the housing below the cover.
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Unread 02-13-2013, 08:45 AM   #14
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That cut and turn site is the bomb! Your right about one thing for sure, when it comes to swapping axle there is definitely some information overload. Why is it that the scout outers are considered to be as weak as a dana 30? The axle looks much bigger, 8 bolt spindle vs a 6 bolt one, and the steering knuckle is huge compared to a 30.
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Unread 02-13-2013, 08:50 AM   #15
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Yeah, I know. I have buried myself in it for months to get where I am now... and still learn a bit more every once in a while. The most complete info is Mr. N's page.
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