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Unread 01-20-2013, 12:09 PM   #1
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Cj 87 wagoneer axles on a cj7

I have the front and rear axle from an 87 wagoneer. I welded on an outboard spring kit. My questions are:
1. Can I use the 2" front and 2 1/2" cj7 springs? (2"lift)
2. I belive they are 3" tubes, I need to find U-bolts and Spring plates, where would I find them. The local Spring shop will make the u-bolts, but says I need to make the spring plates and sugested 1/2" steel.

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Unread 01-21-2013, 05:59 AM   #2
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What transfer case are you running?

87 Wagoneers are driverside drop...
CJ's are Pass. side drop....
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Unread 01-21-2013, 02:38 PM   #3
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Unread 01-21-2013, 02:40 PM   #4
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I'd order the spring plates from ruffstuff.

Youre going to have to do something about the front axle/transfercase
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Unread 01-21-2013, 03:28 PM   #5
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What do you mean about the fron axle/transfercase?
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Unread 01-21-2013, 03:38 PM   #6
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The Dana 300 is a Pass. side drop case.

An 87 Wagoneer is a Driver side drop front Dana 44.

You have to have a drive shaft conect the 2....
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Unread 01-21-2013, 03:59 PM   #7
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I just went and looked, you are correct, I have a problem with the front axle, OUCH! Do I have any options? I have done so much work already, kinda got me down
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Unread 01-21-2013, 04:33 PM   #8
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Honestly, your easiest and most economical solution would be to sell the 87 Wagoneer 44 and get a 1979 or older Wagoneer Dana 44. The 87 will be desireable for the newer jeeps (YJ, XJ, TJ) and you should be able to get a fair price out of it. You should be able to find an 79 or older for less than you get out of the 87.

Your other option is to swap transfercases. The Dana 300 shares the same bolt pattern and spline count as the 231 cases in 6 cyl Jeeps (with exception to some early XJ's) Research compatibility and problems you'll have to address. The 231 will be longer so you have to take rear driveshaft length and angle into consideration.
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Unread 01-22-2013, 07:55 PM   #9
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Rockvillage you can use a Scout2 Dana 44 front end in your CJ that's what I did.
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Unread 01-22-2013, 08:05 PM   #10
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Rockvillage you can use a Scout2 Dana 44 front end in your CJ that's what I did.

Thats a good option, but the biggest problem with scout axles is the lack of caster. This can be a big problem if your not comfortable cutting off the inner "C"s and setting caster.
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Unread 01-27-2013, 07:02 AM   #11
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Dana 44 wrong side drop solution

I purchased a set of Dana 44ís out of a wagi. It was pointed out that the pumpkin was on the driverís side, It needed it to be on the passenger side. I looked hi and low for a 79 or older one that would work. No luck. I finally went to an axle shop that cuts down wide axles for CJ use. He is going to cut the long side tube, and weld a long one on the driverís side. Switch the axles and done! While there since he is giving me a good deal I am having him change the gearing and put in lockers.
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I purchased a set of Dana 44’s out of a wagi. It was pointed out that the pumpkin was on the driver’s side, It needed it to be on the passenger side. I looked hi and low for a 79 or older one that would work. No luck. I finally went to an axle shop that cuts down wide axles for CJ use. He is going to cut the long side tube, and weld a long one on the driver’s side. Switch the axles and done! While there since he is giving me a good deal I am having him change the gearing and put in lockers.
If you are planning to do all that, and pay for it to be done, why not find a high pinion front D44? With that much work you could just grab a later Bronco front "axle" with the cast junk on it. This is what I had done for my TJ.
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If you are planning to do all that, and pay for it to be done, why not find a high pinion front D44? With that much work you could just grab a later Bronco front "axle" with the cast junk on it. This is what I had done for my TJ.

I agree.

1976-77 F100/150 will have weld on wedges, 1978-79 F150/Bronco will have cast wedges, and a 78-79 F250 Dana 44 is about as good as you can get. With the work your having done, you could use any of them. Really all your using is the center section.
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you can flip the dana 300 and still use the axles you have.

http://www.downeastoffroad.com/html/Flipkitinstruc.htm
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you can flip the dana 300 and still use the axles you have.

http://www.downeastoffroad.com/html/Flipkitinstruc.htm


You CAN, but that opens up a new can of warms with new expeinces. Fliping the 300 is not really worth the cost in my opinion.
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