post #31 of Old 03-24-2012, 03:32 PM Thread Starter
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Ummm ... that's private property and the land owner has been quite vocal that they don't want people wheeling out there ... go at your own risk, since technically you're trespassing ...
Is this personal experience speaking? There are no no trespassing signs no gates nothing. There are also numerous trail markers in and out of the creek. Never had a problem here so far


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Ummm ... that's private property and the land owner has been quite vocal that they don't want people wheeling out there ... go at your own risk, since technically you're trespassing ...
Is this personal experience talking??

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Is this personal experience talking??
In terms of being told to get off the land, no, because I don't wheel on private property without obtaining permission or paying for the privilege.

In terms of having spoken to a representative of the company that owns the land, yes: I was told that that don't want people out there, but they don't want to spend the time or money to police it or fence it off. I was also told that they put out posted signs at one time, but they were torn down.

You also need to keep in mind that state law enacted in 2004 (SB155) made it illegal to wheel in freshwater streams or rivers, regardless of of ownership.
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In terms of being told to get off the land, no, because I don't wheel on private property without obtaining permission or paying for the privilege.

In terms of having spoken to a representative of the company that owns the land, yes: I was told that that don't want people out there, but they don't want to spend the time or money to police it or fence it off. I was also told that they put out posted signs at one time, but they were torn down.

You also need to keep in mind that state law enacted in 2004 (SB155) made it illegal to wheel in freshwater streams or rivers, regardless of of ownership.
Thank you for the information. I figured it wasn't personally owned but more so owned by a company. And that law is ridiculous. If I owned land I wouldn't be allowed to take a motor vehicle into my own creek?

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And that law is ridiculous. If I owned land I wouldn't be allowed to take a motor vehicle into my own creek?
That is correct: if it is a waterway and not a pond (i.e., the water traverses your property), you can legally cross it, but you cannot drive in it.

In Texas, the land under navigable streams is legally open for public access, which people often used to justify wheeling in any and all rivers and creeks (including private land such as the topic of this thread). Environmentalists and landowners lobbied the state in 2001, and Senate Bill 155 was passed in 2003, which outlawed operating motor vehicles in freshwater waterways. Part of the reasoning is that the water traverses the property, so any spilled oil or contaminants would be carried downstream, causing extended harm.

There was a big flap over this back in 2003-2004 when it was in the legislature, since it cut off wheeling in a lot of good spots in south and central Texas (including typically dry riverbeds). For a more detailed writeup, see: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publicat...ation/sweeney/
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That is correct: if it is a waterway and not a pond (i.e., the water traverses your property), you can legally cross it, but you cannot drive in it.

In Texas, the land under navigable streams is legally open for public access, which people often used to justify wheeling in any and all rivers and creeks (including private land such as the topic of this thread). Environmentalists and landowners lobbied the state in 2001, and Senate Bill 155 was passed in 2003, which outlawed operating motor vehicles in freshwater waterways. Part of the reasoning is that the water traverses the property, so any spilled oil or contaminants would be carried downstream, causing extended harm.

There was a big flap over this back in 2003-2004 when it was in the legislature, since it cut off wheeling in a lot of good spots in south and central Texas (including typically dry riverbeds). For a more detailed writeup, see: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publicat...ation/sweeney/
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Sounds like TJ-joe is in the buzzkillington family.

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No, it sounds like he has some common sense and cares about other peoples property.
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No, it sounds like he has some common sense and cares about other peoples property.
there have been trails over there for 5 plus years, no ones going out there messing up anyones land.

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there have been trails over there for 5 plus years, no ones going out there messing up anyones land.
Following this logic, I assume it's acceptable that we come drive our Jeeps through your front yard? And once one person has put ruts there, everyone else is perfectly justified in following suit?

Any way you look at it, it is trespassing on someone else's property. Your argument is kind of like saying, "someone has robbed the 7-11 down on the corner every month for 5 years, so I think it's OK if I do it too."
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Following this logic, I assume it's acceptable that we come drive our Jeeps through your front yard? And once one person has put ruts there, everyone else is perfectly justified in following suit?

Any way you look at it, it is trespassing on someone else's property. Your argument is kind of like saying, "someone has robbed the 7-11 down on the corner every month for 5 years, so I think it's OK if I do it too."
Alright Barney Fife, you win, ill never take my JEEPS offroad unless i ask permission. You're like the legal jeeping nazi haha.

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Alright Barney Fife, you win, ill never take my JEEPS offroad unless i ask permission. You're like the legal jeeping nazi haha.
Don't be a ******. How would you like it if I came and tore up your property without asking?

Legality out of the equation, you don't own that land. Don't act like you have the right to do whatever you want on it.

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Don't be a ******. How would you like it if I came and tore up your property without asking?

Legality out of the equation, you don't own that land. Don't act like you have the right to do whatever you want on it.
I do what i want.

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