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Unread 06-25-2007, 05:07 PM   #1
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Colorado Jeepers Trail advisements

I'm not sure if the title is exactly what I am wanting it to mean, but it kinda gets the point across.

Anyway, I was browsing through Traildamage and 4x4 trails, and I was thinking of a couple things I would add to their sites that we might be able to do here. I was looking up Spring Creek, checking out pictures and videos, and was wondering what would be advised equipment to run the trail. I think with all our combined efforts and all the trails we've run either individually or with groups, this could be accomplished.

With as many people as this group is beginning to have, and with more new people (to the group, as well as to the 4-wheeling community as a whole), I was thinking that we could compile a running list that can be updated of trails, conditions, and recommended equipment to run it (with minimal damage). For example, I would rate Boulder Carnage a 5-6, with recommended 33" tires, and possibly one locker. IT IS ADVISED NOT TO RUN A STOCK FULL SIZE BRONCO UP CARNAGE AND EXPECT NO DAMAGE. Johnny Park I would say would be a 3-4, with 31" tires advised. This could be updated with the new trails as we run them. Stuff like that.

Basically, I was thinking of something that kind of combines traildamage & 4x4 trails' sites with first hand advisements of recommened rig requirements to run it. Any thoughts on this?

As multiple people rate this with different vehicles, we could have different model requirements/advisements as well. I'm thinking this because say a stock TJ can usually go more places than a stock ZJ or something (based off of tire size, flex capability, ground clearance, etc). We can also give an average thing as multiple people rate it if there are several advisements as to what is needed to run the trail cleanly.

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Unread 06-25-2007, 05:18 PM   #2
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I got the following info when asking about the harder trails in CO. These were the top ten ranked and requirements to get through...

1 - Cactus Ridge 2 :35" tires, locked front and rear, winch
2 - Die Trying: 35" tires, locked front and rear, winch
3 (tie) - Independence/Patriot: 35" tires, locked front and rear, winch
3 (tie) - Carnage BV: 35" tires, locked front and rear, winch
5 - Calamity Canyon: 35" tires, locked front and rear, winch
6 - Billings Canyon: 33" tires, locked front and rear, winch
7 - 21 Road: 33" tires, locked at one axle, winch preferred - this trail is as hard as you make it depending on your level and ability.
8 - Topless: 35" tires, locked front and rear, winch
9 - Blanca Peak: 33" tires, locked at one axle but preferably both front and rear, winch
10 - Minesweeper: 33" tires, locked at one axle but preferably both front and rear, winch

Honestly, if you follow the trail damage ratings, I would say minimum vehicle mods for trails with ratings of: 1-3 = stocker friendly, ratings 4-6 require a lift + 31"s, and ratings of 7+ require 33"s and a locker.

Those would be the minimum suggestions.

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Unread 06-25-2007, 06:36 PM   #3
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The problem with the advisments is it doesn't take into account:
LWB vs SWB and driver skill. Cliffhanger for instance I was told to only run with 33's and at least one locker yet I am skilled enough to run it w/o either. Take a SWB vehicle up some of the walls my LWB does and they would flip backwards...
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Unread 06-25-2007, 07:48 PM   #4
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I definately agree with you Arlo. That's why I was thinking we might be able to kind of divide it into a LWB/SWB thing- each vehicle will need something different. However, it still doesn't take into account driver ability. But I was thinking that with some of the newer guys/gals to the sport, it might help them pick their trails a little better as it suits their ability. For instance, if a trail is advised to have 35's and lockers vs. a trail that can be done stock, it might help the new people to pick a trail in a smarter fashion.

I was thinking that since we have run many trails between all of us, it might also help as we can give a personal opinion, since we didn't all start with modded rigs, we can give advice for trails as we all built up our rigs. For instance, some of the first trails I ever did was Slaughterhouse, LHC, MSV- easy enough trails, but has some harder parts. As my seat time increased and I got more familiar with the rig, and as it built up, I moved on to Carnage, Wheeler Lake, etc.
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Unread 07-13-2007, 02:23 PM   #5
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The problem with the advisments is it doesn't take into account:
LWB vs SWB and driver skill. Cliffhanger for instance I was told to only run with 33's and at least one locker but Dave was strong enough to just pull my Jeep up the hardest spot. Take a SWB vehicle up some of the walls my LWB does and they would flip backwards...

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Unread 07-13-2007, 02:42 PM   #6
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Hahahahahaha, no one has a pic of that so I have NO idea what you're talking about And as I recall, I had to backup ~6" and bump up it anyways
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Unread 07-13-2007, 02:46 PM   #7
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Moab is unique, in the wheeling world, and is hard to find equal in Colorado.
Colorado is about traction and clearence, and a swb is not a bad thing.
I think Moab might not be a good judge for traction however, as everyone has super traction, in fact lockers get in the way in Moab(too much traction and the tires cherp, and no steering). Moab is all about clearence, and wheelbase.
Big rock fields like Spring creek tend to be easier in a short wheelbase. Even Carnage(Boulder) eats lwb's up.
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