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post #1 of 21 Old 08-21-2007, 12:57 PM Thread Starter
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Annual DW tech conference

Well crap I got DW driving Jim home the other day and I have had it happen a few more times since then. So I took it in for an alignment today and my Toe was off (.07 on the left and .01 on the right)...Realigned to .1 on the L&R. It had a better feel on road now, but still isn't happy with I hit the right pot holes.

Camber is -.89 deg on the left and -.83 on the right.
Caster is 3.7 deg on the left and 3.6 deg on the right.

Camber is supposed to be between -.75 and .5 deg
Caster is supposed to be between 6 & 7.5 deg

My Caster & Camber haven't changed in the last year when I have been driving fine w/o DW so I suspect they are fine to be where they are...Plus changing them is a MAJOR PITA since most of my CA's are siezed up pretty well after this winter.

I can get about 1/4" to 3/8" movement out of my trackbar when I move the wheel back and forth at a stop. I suspect this is my problem but I don't know what to do to solve it, I have a brand new bushing in there and a freaking tight bolt. It is the bushing itself moving, not the sleeve.

I am about to take a shotgun approach in an attempt to make this Ouray trip and replace 4 tie rod ends, ball joints, and wheel bearings.

However at $144/wheel bearing ($300 total)
TRE's (2 x $30 and 2 x $45 = $150 total)
and ball joints (2 x $82 and 2 x $50 = $260 total)

that is $710 total and that is just stupid to throw that much money at something which I am not even sure is wrong (and don't think it is).

Any thoughts?


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post #2 of 21 Old 08-21-2007, 01:54 PM
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The DW has to be that trackbar. The more trails I run the looser my track bar gets. But mine has to do with the hole wholerin out not the bushing. Is your bushing a two piece with the sleeve in the middle?
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post #3 of 21 Old 08-21-2007, 01:55 PM
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I've got some duro trackbar bushings you can have for what I paid for them. I bought them for my rear TB, and may not end up using them. Pretty sure they'll fit yours.

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post #4 of 21 Old 08-21-2007, 02:12 PM Thread Starter
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Yeah two piece with the sleeve in the middle.

Jim I may take you up on those bushings to see if they help...I fear I'll eat through that bushing just as quickly as I did the last two sets of duro bushings I did

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Forgot you were eating trackbar bushings. They're in the garage if you want 'em. I ended up getting bushings and sleeves from Kevin thrown into the box with my steering brace, so didn't have to pay shipping on them. Kevin gets $46 plus $8 for the sleeves, can't see how you could kill the sleeves though. Since I decided not to use them, just hoping to get what I put into them.

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If those are urethane bushings you will want to grease them before you put them in. I assembled mine dry like you would with rubber bushings and that was wrong. I am going to drill and tap mine to install a grease zirk this winter.
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They are poly, however the instructions never said anything about greasing them (the JKS ones). The duro bushings Jim has (and I went through) come with grease and I greased mine last time I installed them.

Hey Jim, when are you available to meet up with me? I'll be down off of 104th & I-25 tomorrow night getting my pinion seal fixed, that anywhere near you?

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You looked at the packaging Jim? They should have some in there...I am starting to wonder if they're the same or not. I'll grab my old ones to compare. Perhaps you can toss a pic of yours online and some measurements?

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Yup, looked right at the packaging. It was a really purdy transparent ziploc bag

**edit - if it'll make you feel better, I'll see if I can snap a pic of the shtuff for ya

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Hmm, mine (from Kolak) came in a plastic sealed package w/name and everything on it. I wonder if Kevin doesn't want people knowing who makes them

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Couldn't tell ya

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I'd say you need to get your caster up into the 5-6* range. Your trackbar needs to be TIGHT.

My most recent case of DW was pretty bad.
Checked trackbar - AOK
Found that steering stabalizer bushing was screwed. Got anew stabalizer - took care of 80% of problem. My upper front control arms were still stock - bushings looked a bit crappy. This gave me a good excuse to order the new JKS uppers i'd been planning on. 99% of problem solved. Gonna get an alingment next. Haven't had one recently.
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I have the same problem ryan, I'm still trying to center my axle, the closer i get the better it gets.
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