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Unread 08-29-2012, 04:22 PM   #1
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Doorless/Mirrorless in Michigan

Can anyone shed some light on the legality of running around with no doors or mirrors in Michigan? I have yet to purchase relocation brackets (I plan to), but may want to go doorless on the holiday weekend. I'd rather not get a ticket but it's supposed to be a beautiful weekend for shedding the doors!

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Unread 08-29-2012, 04:38 PM   #2
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http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f176/...r-laws-565361/

Originally Posted by legislature.mi.gov
MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT)
Act 300 of 1949


257.708 Mirrors.

Sec. 708.

A person shall not drive a motor vehicle on a highway which is so constructed or loaded as to prevent the driver from obtaining a view of the highway to the rear by looking backward from the driver's position, unless the vehicle is equipped with a mirror located so as to reflect to the driver a view of the highway to the rear of the vehicle. In addition all motor vehicles shall be equipped with an outside rearview mirror on the driver's side which shall be positioned to give the driver a rearviewing angle from the driver's side of the vehicle, except a motor vehicle licensed as an historic vehicle if the vehicle was not originally equipped with an outside rearview mirror. Rearview mirrors may be positioned on the helmet or visor worn by the operator of a motorcycle if the helmet is securely attached to the head of the operator. Every commercial vehicle of 1/2 ton capacity or more, operating upon the public highways of this state, shall be equipped with 2 mirrors, 1 on each side, adjusted so that the operator shall have a clear view of the highway behind the commercial vehicle. The outside mirrors shall not be considered to be a part of the vehicle for the purpose of determining the maximum width under section 717.


History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1967, Act 90, Eff. Jan. 1, 1968 ;-- Am. 1970, Act 94, Imd. Eff. July 20, 1970 ;-- Am. 1978, Act 55, Imd. Eff. Mar. 10, 1978

2007 Legislative Council, State of Michigan


I run all summer with no doors and have never been pulled over....but thats up here where we all know each other, not sure about you city types.
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Unread 08-29-2012, 04:46 PM   #3
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If your looking for a way to go doorless and be legal and look sharp as hell all at tje same time chevk out Defiant Systems. we offer a custom made to your specs door hinge mirror. check us out you will love em!!!
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Unread 08-30-2012, 09:53 AM   #4
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Defiant's are pretty cool, but I came up with this for $15 and a trip to auto zone and the hardware store.
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Unread 08-30-2012, 03:13 PM   #5
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In addition all motor vehicles shall be equipped with an outside rearview mirror on the driver's side which shall be positioned to give the driver a rearviewing angle from the driver's side of the vehicle,
I have heard the same thing from my friends dad who is a cop...mirrors required on driver side only.

I have driven without doors/windows many times around Metro Detroit, Lansing area, and West branch area and have never been pulled over.
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Unread 09-01-2012, 07:09 AM   #6
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I've been driving doorless with out mirrors over the last 7 years. Never been bothered.
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Unread 09-04-2012, 07:02 AM   #7
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I've been driving doorless with out mirrors over the last 7 years. Never been bothered.
Still doesn't make it legal.
All it takes is one cop who's had a bad day. Don't give them a reason when a simple $15 fix has been shown.
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Unread 09-04-2012, 08:42 AM   #8
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Still doesn't make it legal.
All it takes is one cop who's had a bad day. Don't give them a reason when a simple $15 fix has been shown.
Nobody said it was legal. The point is that the cops just don't care. So he doesn't need to worry about it for a weekend...or ever in my opinion.

And if one were to relocate the mirrors, they should do it permanently. Jeeps have enough crap to take on and off and then store when not in use.
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Unread 09-04-2012, 10:07 AM   #9
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So he doesn't need to worry about it for a weekend...or ever in my opinion.
Never used to worry about license plate lights either.
Buddy was pulled over 3 times in one night leaving Bay City, MI by 3 different branches for burnt out LP lights. Once they have a reason to pull you over then comes the safety inspection, been there.

Per my discusions in the past with the MSP about lift laws and such their statement is that in MI ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it.
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Unread 09-05-2012, 12:44 AM   #10
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I was told that as long as you have one on ur windshield that is NOT obstructed, ur fine. If not, then u must have a drivers side mirror.
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Unread 09-05-2012, 06:17 AM   #11
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I was told that as long as you have one on ur windshield that is NOT obstructed, ur fine. If not, then u must have a drivers side mirror.
In addition all motor vehicles shall be equipped with an outside rearview mirror on the driver's side which shall be positioned to give the driver a rearviewing angle from the driver's side of the vehicle,

Originally Posted by legislature.mi.gov
MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT)
Act 300 of 1949


257.708 Mirrors.

Sec. 708.
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Unread 09-05-2012, 07:21 AM   #12
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IIRC you need two rear view mirrors and one has too be the drivers side door mirror. The other can be a windshield mounted or passenger door mounted. This is why delivery vans have two door mirrors and no windsheild mounted mirror.
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Unread 09-05-2012, 02:31 PM   #13
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Well, IMO, those laws are more for manufacturers than the gen public. The doors r removable, so where does it say it's now our responsibility to go out & buy mirrors cuz the doors r off? Seems like if that were true, then the auto ind could make a killing by not putting mirrors on and making us go to the dealer to buy them. Again, just IMHO.
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Unread 09-05-2012, 02:55 PM   #14
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Well, IMO, those laws are more for manufacturers than the gen public. The doors r removable, so where does it say it's now our responsibility to go out & buy mirrors cuz the doors r off? Seems like if that were true, then the auto ind could make a killing by not putting mirrors on and making us go to the dealer to buy them. Again, just IMHO.
Those laws are not for the manufacturer. They are for you. The law existing in its form makes you responsible for mirrors and other equipment on your vehicle.
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Unread 09-05-2012, 09:19 PM   #15
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Well, IMO, those laws are more for manufacturers than the gen public. The doors r removable, so where does it say it's now our responsibility to go out & buy mirrors cuz the doors r off? Seems like if that were true, then the auto ind could make a killing by not putting mirrors on and making us go to the dealer to buy them. Again, just IMHO.
Wow, how can one argue with that kind of decision rationale.

Lug nuts are removeable also....
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