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Unread 04-18-2012, 03:17 PM   #9616
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Unread 04-18-2012, 03:49 PM   #9617
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The Mrs tells me it is a fee-free day out there on Saturday, so you tightwads don't need to risk getting your rig towed or ending up in the pokey for making your way cross country to avoid a three dollar entrance fee, or whatever it is.

Funny thing is I've been offroading for 26 years now via dirt bikes, buggies, jeeps, race trucks and prerunners. I've played by the rules for most of that time in the hobby. I've been to countless land use meetings, countless RAMP meetings, etc... I've also watched most of the areas in the two places I've lived previously being northern Az and SoCal be closed off to us that recreate responsibly. So at this point after this long I just don't care anymore. I'm not out cutting fresh trails and making new tracks. Call me an A-hole for not wanting to play by the rules anymore but if you see me as wrong for continuing to recreate on existing trails so be it. 10-20 years from now offroading anywhere will most likely be illegal IMO at the rate that I've watched us loose our lands in the past 25 years. It started in 1972 and when S21 passed in the 90's out in California the writing was on the wall yet we still obeyed the rules and dealt with the loss of our lands. I can show you pictures of amazing jeep trails that are no longer accessible because some special interest group has more money then the people recreating. I've been a member of CORVA, BRC and I've convinced previous employers to become members of ORBA to help keep the land accessible to us but it's all for nothing.

Johnson Valley where the hammer trails are is on the verge of being gone. We've had a cabin there since the 70's... bye bye... The rubicon trail has been threatened to be taken for who knows how many years now. Moab has been on the table to disappear and that's in Utah which is generally regarded as a very offroad friendly state!

At this point, come get me... I foresee a time down the road where I'm either going to have to deal with heavy fines if I stop for the flashing lights or just know that whatever they're patrolling in isn't likely to catch me on my bike or in my truck. Now if we're talking glamis, okay, I'll stop but then again I've never had a reason to be stopped out there. LOL I do know that I probably won't outrun their suburu turbo charged funco sandrails though!

Funny part to me is I bet the fine for running a red light which could possibly kill people and ruin lives is less then getting caught on an existing trail that is "closed" by someone who has never been on it and truly has no interest in ever being on it. I've been in this hobby in one way or another for 3/4ths of my life, I've owned however many dirt bikes it was I posted yesterday, I've owned 2 jeep cherokees, a CJ7, my current TJ, and heavily modified explorer. My family has owned numerous buggies. I've built 3 very capable borderline race trucks and am currently building a dedicated race truck all just to watch the "no motorized vehicles" signs pop up. I've had my butt chewed by hikers on the "malcom smith trail" telling me that I can't ride there when they obviously have no clue who malcom smith is or why that trail was named after him. I'm at the point where I'm not giving it up on my hobby and will still attend the meetings and put in my 2 cents but also don't see any way to save it at this point. Maybe I need to work on making my jeep equally as fast as my truck and bike is in the dirt so they have a good challenge catching me no matter what vehicle I'm in. LOL

I know this isn't the "offroad friendly" approach that we should all have but some of us are over it... When they close it all, are you going to sell your toys or say screw it and keep going? Yeah, I kinda have a bit of interest in this land closure and trail closures cause I tend to have a lot of my life involved in them. It's what I've grown up doing and now I have signs signs everywhere the signs popping up telling me I can't do what I want anymore. I thought the point of heading out to the middle of nowhere was so that I don't annoy people with my dust and exhaust tones but now even that's not good enough.


And sorry if I can name endless other places to hang out and socialize and have a good time at that don't involve paying a needless fee... I'll keep my $10 and put it towards today's meals.
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Unread 04-18-2012, 04:04 PM   #9618
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LOL, I've got a buddy at four wheeler magazine doing some research on the origins of that FSJ picture and where that trail really is located. He says so far he knows for sure it's been doctor'd but was done before photoshop existed. It's an old school cropped picture. He also sent me this picture...

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Unread 04-18-2012, 04:09 PM   #9619
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LOL, I've got a buddy at four wheeler magazine doing some research on the origins of that FSJ picture and where that trail really is located. He says so far he knows for sure it's been doctor'd but was done before photoshop existed. It's an old school cropped picture. He also sent me this picture...

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i want one! Cant find any record it though
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Unread 04-18-2012, 05:46 PM   #9620
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Funny thing is I've been offroading for 26 years now via dirt bikes, buggies, jeeps, race trucks and prerunners. I've played by the rules for most of that time in the hobby. I've been to countless land use meetings, countless RAMP meetings, etc... I've also watched most of the areas in the two places I've lived previously being northern Az and SoCal be closed off to us that recreate responsibly. So at this point after this long I just don't care anymore. I'm not out cutting fresh trails and making new tracks. Call me an A-hole for not wanting to play by the rules anymore but if you see me as wrong for continuing to recreate on existing trails so be it. 10-20 years from now offroading anywhere will most likely be illegal IMO at the rate that I've watched us loose our lands in the past 25 years. It started in 1972 and when S21 passed in the 90's out in California the writing was on the wall yet we still obeyed the rules and dealt with the loss of our lands. I can show you pictures of amazing jeep trails that are no longer accessible because some special interest group has more money then the people recreating. I've been a member of CORVA, BRC and I've convinced previous employers to become members of ORBA to help keep the land accessible to us but it's all for nothing.

Johnson Valley where the hammer trails are is on the verge of being gone. We've had a cabin there since the 70's... bye bye... The rubicon trail has been threatened to be taken for who knows how many years now. Moab has been on the table to disappear and that's in Utah which is generally regarded as a very offroad friendly state!

At this point, come get me... I foresee a time down the road where I'm either going to have to deal with heavy fines if I stop for the flashing lights or just know that whatever they're patrolling in isn't likely to catch me on my bike or in my truck. Now if we're talking glamis, okay, I'll stop but then again I've never had a reason to be stopped out there. LOL I do know that I probably won't outrun their suburu turbo charged funco sandrails though!

Funny part to me is I bet the fine for running a red light which could possibly kill people and ruin lives is less then getting caught on an existing trail that is "closed" by someone who has never been on it and truly has no interest in ever being on it. I've been in this hobby in one way or another for 3/4ths of my life, I've owned however many dirt bikes it was I posted yesterday, I've owned 2 jeep cherokees, a CJ7, my current TJ, and heavily modified explorer. My family has owned numerous buggies. I've built 3 very capable borderline race trucks and am currently building a dedicated race truck all just to watch the "no motorized vehicles" signs pop up. I've had my butt chewed by hikers on the "malcom smith trail" telling me that I can't ride there when they obviously have no clue who malcom smith is or why that trail was named after him. I'm at the point where I'm not giving it up on my hobby and will still attend the meetings and put in my 2 cents but also don't see any way to save it at this point. Maybe I need to work on making my jeep equally as fast as my truck and bike is in the dirt so they have a good challenge catching me no matter what vehicle I'm in. LOL

I know this isn't the "offroad friendly" approach that we should all have but some of us are over it... When they close it all, are you going to sell your toys or say screw it and keep going? Yeah, I kinda have a bit of interest in this land closure and trail closures cause I tend to have a lot of my life involved in them. It's what I've grown up doing and now I have signs signs everywhere the signs popping up telling me I can't do what I want anymore. I thought the point of heading out to the middle of nowhere was so that I don't annoy people with my dust and exhaust tones but now even that's not good enough.


And sorry if I can name endless other places to hang out and socialize and have a good time at that don't involve paying a needless fee... I'll keep my $10 and put it towards today's meals.
It is the same thing everywhere, those in power want something and there is nothing that the masses can do about it. Heck I am going through it right now with our HOA. They want to get rid of a small section of grass that we have at our park. No reason, they just want to get rid of it and replace it with rocks. They said that it was a cost savings, yet our HOA has on average 10-15k left over every year. People have asked exactly how much it would save, but have not gotten any response to date. If they put rocks in there I can promise that my quads and mountain bikes will be going through it. F em if they can't take a joke.
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Unread 04-18-2012, 06:00 PM   #9621
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Maybe they'll be big *** boulders we can all come crawl on? You're possibly looking at it wrong. Encourage the installation of LARGE rocks! LOL
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Unread 04-18-2012, 06:23 PM   #9622
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The bigger the rock the better. We can all bring the jeeps over and go wheeling.
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Unread 04-18-2012, 06:26 PM   #9623
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My hoa came and cut the tree down in my yard. It was half dead but they left the stump. About 2' hight stump in the yard. They wont come remove the stump now i park the jeep on it.
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Unread 04-18-2012, 06:34 PM   #9624
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My hoa came and cut the tree down in my yard. It was half dead but they left the stump. About 2' hight stump in the yard. They wont come remove the stump now i park the jeep on it.
I would cut them off at the knees with a 12 GA for coming into my yard and vandalizing my property!
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Unread 04-18-2012, 07:02 PM   #9625
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I would cut them off at the knees with a 12 GA for coming into my yard and vandalizing my property!
I was going to... it turned into a big mess and when my wife had the twins i gave up. I currently live in a mobile home ( get the new house on the 1st) but there came all if these stipulations about i only rent the land. A bunch of crap that i could have beat but didnt have the resources at the time. But at the moment a big white grand cherokee all flexed in the front yard will work. Cant wait to move!!
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Unread 04-18-2012, 07:14 PM   #9626
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Unread 04-18-2012, 07:22 PM   #9627
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I was going to... it turned into a big mess and when my wife had the twins i gave up. I currently live in a mobile home ( get the new house on the 1st) but there came all if these stipulations about i only rent the land. A bunch of crap that i could have beat but didnt have the resources at the time. But at the moment a big white grand cherokee all flexed in the front yard will work. Cant wait to move!!
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Unread 04-18-2012, 07:22 PM   #9628
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If you know who the chair of the HOA is, dig up the stump, and carefully place it in their driveway, begin their car. That way they back into it when leaving, and then have to dispose of it!
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Unread 04-18-2012, 07:32 PM   #9629
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Funny thing is I've been offroading for 26 years now via dirt bikes, buggies, jeeps, race trucks and prerunners. I've played by the rules for most of that time in the hobby. I've been to countless land use meetings, countless RAMP meetings, etc... I've also watched most of the areas in the two places I've lived previously being northern Az and SoCal be closed off to us that recreate responsibly. So at this point after this long I just don't care anymore. I'm not out cutting fresh trails and making new tracks. Call me an A-hole for not wanting to play by the rules anymore but if you see me as wrong for continuing to recreate on existing trails so be it. 10-20 years from now offroading anywhere will most likely be illegal IMO at the rate that I've watched us loose our lands in the past 25 years. It started in 1972 and when S21 passed in the 90's out in California the writing was on the wall yet we still obeyed the rules and dealt with the loss of our lands. I can show you pictures of amazing jeep trails that are no longer accessible because some special interest group has more money then the people recreating. I've been a member of CORVA, BRC and I've convinced previous employers to become members of ORBA to help keep the land accessible to us but it's all for nothing.

Johnson Valley where the hammer trails are is on the verge of being gone. We've had a cabin there since the 70's... bye bye... The rubicon trail has been threatened to be taken for who knows how many years now. Moab has been on the table to disappear and that's in Utah which is generally regarded as a very offroad friendly state!

At this point, come get me... I foresee a time down the road where I'm either going to have to deal with heavy fines if I stop for the flashing lights or just know that whatever they're patrolling in isn't likely to catch me on my bike or in my truck. Now if we're talking glamis, okay, I'll stop but then again I've never had a reason to be stopped out there. LOL I do know that I probably won't outrun their suburu turbo charged funco sandrails though!

Funny part to me is I bet the fine for running a red light which could possibly kill people and ruin lives is less then getting caught on an existing trail that is "closed" by someone who has never been on it and truly has no interest in ever being on it. I've been in this hobby in one way or another for 3/4ths of my life, I've owned however many dirt bikes it was I posted yesterday, I've owned 2 jeep cherokees, a CJ7, my current TJ, and heavily modified explorer. My family has owned numerous buggies. I've built 3 very capable borderline race trucks and am currently building a dedicated race truck all just to watch the "no motorized vehicles" signs pop up. I've had my butt chewed by hikers on the "malcom smith trail" telling me that I can't ride there when they obviously have no clue who malcom smith is or why that trail was named after him. I'm at the point where I'm not giving it up on my hobby and will still attend the meetings and put in my 2 cents but also don't see any way to save it at this point. Maybe I need to work on making my jeep equally as fast as my truck and bike is in the dirt so they have a good challenge catching me no matter what vehicle I'm in. LOL

I know this isn't the "offroad friendly" approach that we should all have but some of us are over it... When they close it all, are you going to sell your toys or say screw it and keep going? Yeah, I kinda have a bit of interest in this land closure and trail closures cause I tend to have a lot of my life involved in them. It's what I've grown up doing and now I have signs signs everywhere the signs popping up telling me I can't do what I want anymore. I thought the point of heading out to the middle of nowhere was so that I don't annoy people with my dust and exhaust tones but now even that's not good enough.


And sorry if I can name endless other places to hang out and socialize and have a good time at that don't involve paying a needless fee... I'll keep my $10 and put it towards today's meals.
I (unintentionally) touched a nerve there I guess. I am no fan of closures, and I go to a lot of those meetings too. It sometimes feels like an uphill battle, but there's hearts and minds that can and could be won if we just keep talking about it, and not just on the jeep board.
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Unread 04-18-2012, 07:56 PM   #9630
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Who all is a for sure going on Sunday's lake trip? Anybody with a boat?
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