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Unread 07-10-2014, 04:46 PM   #38116
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Apparently, I am completely ignorant of the definition of hate speech. Nowhere in that video did anyone use any language to incite violence on anyone. A statement was made about a question that was asked. The statement was not biased by race or religion, and perhaps the "facts" may not be accurate by the exact numbers, but the historical relevance is accurate. Historical atrocities ARE offensive. Ignoring violent acts and letting the responsible parties go unpunished IS offensive. When dealing with people that have a violent mindset, words won't defend against explosives and guns.

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Unread 07-10-2014, 05:50 PM   #38117
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Her facts are horribly wrong, 15% to 25% of Muslims are not out kill westerners. She's equating the Muslim religion to nations that committed atrocities to their people. How can you compare a religion to a nation? They are two completely different structures. She's implying all Muslims are bad because the majority didn't discover and stop the actions of a small minority that most where not even aware existed or where plotting violence. By her logic all Christians are responsible for the actions of the Oklahoma city bombers. She's inciting others to hate Muslims using flawed logic and incorrect facts so yes I consider it hate speech.

If you want to talk about historical atrocities then Christians have no leg to stand on. In the name of our religion we repeatedly attempted to kill every Muslim in the holy land. And you wonder why so many Muslims dislike Christians when all you have to do is look at what our ancestors did to them during the crusades. We're still dealing with the after effects of that historical violence but no one wants to admit it.

Until we stop the hate we will never build a lasting peace. We should absolutely respond to the terrorists with the necessary violence to eliminate the threat but we need to stop there. Blaming an entire religion for the actions of a few individuals will do nothing but make more Muslims hate us and lead to more violence.
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Unread 07-10-2014, 06:34 PM   #38118
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Depending on when the video was taken, the woman may have been basing her statement on previous intelligence reports that estimated the number to be around 13%, which was a British report. The number has been reduced to 7%. What's 7% of 1.8 billion?
She wasn't comparing religion to nations. She was comparing religious beliefs to political beliefs. Political an religious beliefs are very similar in their effect on people. Groups commit violence and are fiercely divided in much the same ways between religions an political parties.
Since you brought up the crusades an stated that it was the Christians that started it, so who an blame them, I'll comment on that as well. You did nothing but validate the view that violent retaliation for past injustices is acceptable behavior. It's not. Your statement isn't even based in fact either. The crusades began in retaliation for the Turkish Muslim sacking of Jerusalem in 1065, which killed 3000 Christians. The crusades began in 1095 to reclaim Jerusalem from the Muslims.
People need to realize that terrorism can't be solved by loving it out of existence.
Just because people find things offensive doesn't mean it should be censored and/or banned.
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Unread 07-10-2014, 07:01 PM   #38119
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Why do I feel like it's the media and our government keeping the terrorist thing on going? I feel like it's the shiny object to keep everyones attention on both sides of the subject. Government pokes and prods terrorists into attacking, along with keeping them armed, and media always covering the story to keep our attention on it while something more serious is happening in the background.

Terrorism will never stop in this world. Atrocities will never stop in this world. Humans by nature are cruel evil beings. We as people will never live in harmony with each other or the world it's self. This exchange on this forum speaks for that in just a small way, too many views on one subject, too many "my opinion matters only" attitudes get thrown around.

Violence will happen. I will do my best if it ever comes to me, my family, and my friends. I wont blame the tool that was used to hurt my loved ones, but I will go after the person who did it. Terrorist, thug, crack head, friend, family, whom ever.

Few people learn from the past because people who live in the present think it wont happen to them, or it's too far away from me for me to do anything about it. I try to fallow the peaceful teaching of Jesus Christ, but I know there are some out there who twist it into something else. I am sure there some Muslims who try to fallow what peaceful teachings there are in Islam.

This middle east conflict will never end, and will just get worse.
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Unread 07-10-2014, 07:15 PM   #38120
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You feel that it's fundamentally wrong to punish the whole over the actions of a few, yet just last week that's precisely what you condoned! You said it would be just fine to limit the size of firearm magazines to 10rds because of the radical minorities who use them in evil ways. Force everyone in the country to pay for the poor choices the few have made in their lives. Do you see the hypocrisy in that?
It's not the government nor the media keeping the terrorism going. It's been a fighting that has been raging for centuries, and builds and calms in tides. The only way to stop it is for one side to be completely eradicated. That won't happen, so it will rage forever. We're dealing with a group of people who willfully accept blowing themselves up with explosives to reduce the number of the enemy. There is no rationalizing with people like that. For the most part, the radicals are still living like they did centuries ago. It's a medieval mindset with modern weapons and tactics.
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Unread 07-10-2014, 07:23 PM   #38121
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speaking of religion and church...

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Unread 07-10-2014, 08:39 PM   #38122
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Hey guys, take it to the political section.
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Unread 07-10-2014, 08:47 PM   #38123
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I don't think mine was political though, mine was spiritual...
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Unread 07-10-2014, 08:51 PM   #38124
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Seriously!? How many countless politically charged discussions and debates have we had on this thread? Now that someone gets "offended" it's not suitable anymore? There's been plenty of topics and things posted that I found offensive, however am a big boy and can handle it.
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Unread 07-10-2014, 11:12 PM   #38125
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Unread 07-11-2014, 02:10 AM   #38126
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I can't...no words. All I can say is, don't go down!


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Imagine the mess it would make...
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Unread 07-11-2014, 08:08 AM   #38127
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I don't give a crap about anybody being offended. there's a reason that room exists.
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Unread 07-11-2014, 08:51 AM   #38128
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Junkyard run tomorrow AM if anyone wants me to keep an eye out for anything... There's your notice! Not saying I'm going to pull parts for you but will at the very least let you know if potentially something is there. I'm looking for a pair of nuts... Yup, I totally just said it!!! Actually it's a ratcheting pair of nuts to be more exact. Hopefully that's not offensive or political.
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Unread 07-11-2014, 10:11 AM   #38129
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Junkyard run tomorrow AM if anyone wants me to keep an eye out for anything... There's your notice! Not saying I'm going to pull parts for you but will at the very least let you know if potentially something is there. I'm looking for a pair of nuts... Yup, I totally just said it!!! Actually it's a ratcheting pair of nuts to be more exact. Hopefully that's not offensive or political.
Are they left wing nuts or right wing nuts?
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Unread 07-11-2014, 10:34 AM   #38130
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That's a decent question... I think they're right hand nuts.
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