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Unread 10-10-2013, 08:00 PM   #31876
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From a high level it comes down to how we see health care as a society. 100 years ago health care was a luxury item. If you didn't have money for it you died.

So as a society we have to decide if you're dyeing, and you don't have money for healthcare, should you receive it.

If the answer is no, you only live if you can afford the care, then that's the decision we make as a society and we should not require people to have insurance or ER's to care of anyone that shows up at the door without a way to pay.

If the answer is yes then the current system was not designed to handle that requirement, it's still based on the luxery item model and it needs to change. Healthcare reform is the first attempt to make that change. Is it a perfect, absolutely not, but its start.
That is the biggest pile of socialist crap I've heard in a long time.

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Unread 10-10-2013, 08:05 PM   #31877
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I'm done with ObummerCare and politics. On to better topics...

Got my rig back from Vegas 4X4 Tuesday and wow, Larry and Brett sure know how to build a rig! Between their fab skills, experience and solid recommendations I am way better off than I was before. I still have a few things to do, but new shocks, skid plates, control arms, springs and assorted brackets combined with some nicely fabbed up parts and fixing some seriously scary welds, and I am well on my way!
I snuck around the back of their shop to find a place I could test out the new suspension; it felt awesome and doesn't look too shabby either:





sucky part is that my schedule at work changed so my only wheelin time will now be Saturday evenings or Monday mornings / early afternoons.
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Unread 10-10-2013, 08:08 PM   #31878
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That is the biggest pile of socialist crap I've heard in a long time.
Why is that??

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Unread 10-10-2013, 08:12 PM   #31879
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a few more pics of the good stuff:













Gotta throw in a shot of those fancy Vanco brakes from Garza's shop; they are HUGE. I think I still need to do some work on them to get the best performance though.



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Unread 10-10-2013, 08:20 PM   #31880
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"We" didn't decide anything. There is no right to healthcare. The government has no constitutional authority to administrate, mandate or promote healthcare. If "society" wants to engage in a healthcare system then those individuals within that society should be free to choose to participate or not. This is nothing more than a socialist government bureaucracy designed to force the individual into the collective.

In my America liberty is sacred and we are sacrificing it for both security and the public welfare.
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Unread 10-10-2013, 09:07 PM   #31881
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If the answer the majority of Americans give to my question is no then we need to change the laws that govern how our hospitals work and how our first responders handle people in need of healthcare. If someone is hurt and they don't have insurance, or the means to pay, then they should not receive healthcare. Only then will it be possible to opt out.
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Unread 10-10-2013, 09:14 PM   #31882
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If the answer the majority of Americans give to my question is no then we need to change the laws that govern how our hospitals work and how our first responders handle people in need of healthcare. If someone is hurt and they don't have insurance, or the means to pay, then they should not receive healthcare. Only then will it be possible to opt out.
Majority rule is democracy which is why we live in a republic...to protect the minority. Simply because the majority decides something doesn't make it right. It is liberty that is most important to the individual. The freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail. The freedom to do anything you want and the responsibility to live with the consequences. I will stand in the wilderness and proclaim liberty as long as I have air in my lungs...even if no one stands with me.

For too long the government has crept into every aspect of the lives of its citizens. If a government shut down affects the lives of the citizens then that government is too big and to intrusive.
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Unread 10-10-2013, 09:27 PM   #31883
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The rest of this conversation will have to continue at Hooters
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Unread 10-10-2013, 09:36 PM   #31884
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I agree we have republic and I support the result, but I expect a result. That republic has to choose a direction; either yes or no to my original question.

As the system stands today before healthcare reform costs are spiraling out of control and part of that is because anyone can use the system but not all are paying for it. If this continues no one will be able to afford healthcare in the long run.
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Unread 10-10-2013, 09:37 PM   #31885
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For too long the government has crept into every aspect of the lives of its citizens. If a government shut down affects the lives of the citizens then that government is too big and to intrusive.
THIS!!!!

Too many people think have a democracy. We don't! It's a democratic republic. Democratically elected representatives.
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Unread 10-10-2013, 09:42 PM   #31886
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because anyone can use the system but not all are paying for it. If this continues no one will be able to afford healthcare in the long run.
The estimated 20 million illegal immigrants will still be leaching the healthcare system and not paying for it. Just saying.
There's laws requiring hospitals to treat people whether they pay or not. Who's going to pay for that now? Same people that paid for it before, taxpayers and paying patients.
Also many clinics and drs are going to switch to what's called "boutique medicine." They will be cash only and will not accept insurance of any kind.
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Unread 10-10-2013, 09:44 PM   #31887
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And I agree we should continue this with beer.

I apologize if I take this too seriously. For me it's what I live and breathe. My job is to analyze healthcare costs all day and I haven't liked what I've been seeing for the last few years. Costs are rising with no end in sight and no one has a solution. Even healthcare reform is just a band aid. If we don't find a solution to the growing cost of care soon no one is going to be able to afford healthcare or insurance.
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Unread 10-10-2013, 11:35 PM   #31888
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Have you tried cleaning the IAC and TPS?
Changed them both day... no change. Some days it runs like a top with no misfire and some days its like its running on 4 cylinders. Doesn't matter what the temp is or how long I have been driving. And its only at idle
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Unread 10-11-2013, 02:33 AM   #31889
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I had a similar problem, well actually the exact same thing happening to me with my ZJ and it turned out to be a bad injector. So I switched it out with another one and changed the plugs, wires and I never had another issue.

I tried changing the IAC and the TPS and it did nothing. One of my plugs was fouling out.

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Unread 10-11-2013, 07:26 AM   #31890
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By chance anyone have a spare TJ 4.0 distributor laying around? I'm trying to figure out my idle stumble. I have full power when I hit the gas but at idle I get a miss fire.
I'm dealing with the exact same issue. Started back when we had those 117 degree temperatures. I've been to two mechanics. The first tried a few things to include swapping out the ignition coil pack. The second said I could try a valve job.
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