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post #25651 of 41863 Old 05-01-2013, 09:43 PM
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I believe so, depending on what eventually gets added to it. Currently, there will be plenty of slots for everything, with some room to grow.
There are two reasons for a relay. First, keep the high power away from the switch. Because a switch is not designed for the amount of power that the component draws, it causes resistance which leads to heat build-up and either crisped wiring or in severe cases, a fire. The other reason is to keep high power draws out of the passenger compartments. Higher power levels lead to increased risk of fire. By keeping that risk in the engine compartment, it gives you time to escape should a fire actually occur. You and I seriously need to sit done and discuss this at length.


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My issue was I couldn't get the balls centered. I had to use some extra force to get everything lined up right. It didn't take me long.


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post #25652 of 41863 Old 05-01-2013, 10:00 PM
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If you ever need to run a buttload of stuff, this bussman panel looks pretty sweet. http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forum...4-spod-ha.html

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There are two reasons for a relay. First, keep the high power away from the switch. Because a switch is not designed for the amount of power that the component draws, it causes resistance which leads to heat build-up and either crisped wiring or in severe cases, a fire. The other reason is to keep high power draws out of the passenger compartments. Higher power levels lead to increased risk of fire. By keeping that risk in the engine compartment, it gives you time to escape should a fire actually occur. You and I seriously need to sit done and discuss this at length.
Isn't that why main power cables are fused immediately after the battery? To pop if there's a big draw? Serious question, not being a smartash.

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Power, let me know when you want me to come over and take care of this crap for you! It's getting old man... Just say the word and I'm on my way! Trust me, I'm an expert!








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Power, let me know when you want me to come over and take care of this crap for you! It's getting old man... Just say the word and I'm on my way! Trust me, I'm an expert!
Roflmfao! Lol

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There are two reasons for a relay. First, keep the high power away from the switch. Because a switch is not designed for the amount of power that the component draws, it causes resistance which leads to heat build-up and either crisped wiring or in severe cases, a fire. The other reason is to keep high power draws out of the passenger compartments. Higher power levels lead to increased risk of fire. By keeping that risk in the engine compartment, it gives you time to escape should a fire actually occur. You and I seriously need to sit done and discuss this at length.
Yeah. I learned about relays on the wag. Luckily not the hard way.

My headlight switch used to get so hot you could smell it while driving around at night. Power went from battery, through switch, out to headlights. Also it would get so hot the post on the switch would be super hot to the touch. The lights would flicker.

I wired in a set of relays that went from battery, through relays, to headlights. First off, the switch has never gotten hot since. Second, the lights were instantly brighter. Third, the relays are essentially a fuse if anything goes wrong..

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Just finished installing the new bilstein 5100's that I got delivered today and WOW what a difference does some new shocks make in how my jeep handles. Very impressed so far.

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post #25658 of 41863 Old 05-02-2013, 07:08 AM
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Yeah. I learned about relays on the wag. Luckily not the hard way.

My headlight switch used to get so hot you could smell it while driving around at night. Power went from battery, through switch, out to headlights. Also it would get so hot the post on the switch would be super hot to the touch. The lights would flicker.

I wired in a set of relays that went from battery, through relays, to headlights. First off, the switch has never gotten hot since. Second, the lights were instantly brighter. Third, the relays are essentially a fuse if anything goes wrong..
What could go wrong with your headlight wiring? Not like it would happen on wheelers pass. But hey it allowed powr to get reception with Randall!!

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post #25659 of 41863 Old 05-02-2013, 08:05 AM
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Just finished installing the new bilstein 5100's that I got delivered today and WOW what a difference does some new shocks make in how my jeep handles. Very impressed so far.
Wish more people could see the difference in a well built and well valved shock! I always wanted to try out OME shocks when I had my jeep. People rave about them. Bilstiens though are hard to go wrong with for off the shelf non-rebuildable non-tunable type shocks! They do their home work and tune their shocks for the vehicle. Back from '01-04 I got to work with them a bit and see what they did. It was pretty fun bending the stock bumpstop mounts on rental cars to get the shocks dialed in!

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Third, the relays are essentially a fuse if anything goes wrong..
I'm not 100% sure that statement is true as is. Someone with better electrical knowledge can chime in but just to keep someone from getting confused I'm under the impression you still need a legit fuse in the systems as if a wire goes to ground or something on the gadget shorts it still could get ugly before a relay fails.




Oh, and greg was closest... Drivers side rear seat pooper access!!!





Or it's what you do when you need to access the top of the fuel tank but are too lazy to drop the fuel tank, especially when it's completely 100% topped off with gas! That's how you do it! LOL No hmmmm'in or ha'in, just getting work done! Don't need no 2nd opinions on what I should do or what I should cut or how I should cut it... LOL Suck it power!





OH!!!!!!!!!!!! AND I DROVE IT TO WORK TODAY FOR THE FIRST TIME!!!!!!! We'll see if it makes it thru the day. Assuming I'm not still hunting down a gremlin on it tonight I plan to get the front end alignment dialed in a bit better, possibly get the sub/amp combo installed which I'll pull power directly off the battery, but first I gotta get that pooper hole filled up. Just going to make a plate that will screw down over the top of it and seal it around the edges with some silicone. Should make it semi easy for any future access needs too, especially since I feel like I really may own this one for quite a while finally! Like I've said, I only regret selling 2 previous vehicles and my old expo is one of those two...

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you my friend are very brave. Not because you cut, but because did you know the gap between the tank and the floorboard. Did you even nick that hose?

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I'd stuck my hand up in there and got myself an idea of how much clearance I had to work with, also pulled the wire harness out of the way before cutting as well... Not my first rodeo...

Although I'll admit, recently I was doing some welding on a friends truck and I'm typically REALLY good about checking the backside of whatever I'm working on. Well I completely forgot to while BS'ing and being distracted and basically was welding and had his frame glowing red hot with the metal fuel lines tight against the backside of the frame rails! LOL

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post #25662 of 41863 Old 05-02-2013, 09:11 AM
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Isn't that why main power cables are fused immediately after the battery? To pop if there's a big draw? Serious question, not being a smartash.
Yes it is but let me ask you something. Are your kids going to be climbing in and around the Jeep? Any friends riding in the back? Ever carry tools and or replacement parts back there? If anything were to crush that fuse block, you could run into an instance where resistance goes way up. Like I said before, in increase in resistance = an increase in heat. You may not be pulling enough amps in that instance for the main fuse to pop. Instead, you have a fuse block, getting hotter, sitting under a piece of carpet directly under a seat. Granted, this is a perfect storm scenario but something that I would just as soon avoid if I were you.

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Third, the relays are essentially a fuse if anything goes wrong..
A relay is nothing more than an electrically operated high amp switch. Just as much as it may act as a fuse, it also may not. I wouldn't want to be the one to test that out on a vehicle although I am sure that I could come up with a way to build a test stand so that we could blow relays and not worry about burning a vehicle to the ground.

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post #25663 of 41863 Old 05-02-2013, 09:14 AM
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Yes it is but let me ask you something. Are your kids going to be climbing in and around the Jeep? Any friends riding in the back? Ever carry tools and or replacement parts back there? If anything were to crush that fuse block,
My luck, my empty mtn dew can would roll across the top of it and hit a couple terminals and do a little aluminum can arc welding experiment under my butt!





This makes me want to pull the coilovers off my toyota and cruise around on the bumpstops for a bit.


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I have seen plenty of overloaded relays/contactors have the contacts arch themselves together . Thus never shutting off power... so yes you really really need to have a fuse in the circuit.

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this makes me want to pull the coilovers off my toyota and cruise around on the bumpstops for a bit.

dooooooo eeeettttttt!!!!!!!!!

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Its so short ****s like me and you can still get in.
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My issue was I couldn't get the balls centered. I had to use some extra force to get everything lined up right. It didn't take me long.


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