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Unread 09-20-2012, 11:49 AM   #16306
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Dont show that to the jeep engineers, thats all we need is a IFS wrangler. "but the ride is so much smoother"

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Unread 09-20-2012, 12:10 PM   #16307
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Dont show that to the jeep engineers, thats all we need is a IFS wrangler. "but the ride is so much smoother"
They are probably already watching and trying to figure out how to make it cheaper.

I see their conversation going something like this:

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Jeep engineer: Sir!
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Jeep engineer: I think I just figured out how to cut costs on the front suspension!
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Jeep engineer: Sir, we use all-thread for the knuckles and just tackweld a spindle onto it. Then we use the crappiest heim joints we can outsource for the connection points and hold it all together with this new torx style screw that I just created!
Bossman: BRILLIANT!
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Unread 09-20-2012, 12:15 PM   #16308
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The problem is they wouldn't do it right... It can be done to work with the best crawlers out there but we know the O.E. wouldn't remotely put out something that functions properly for the dirt enthusiasts.
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Unread 09-20-2012, 12:29 PM   #16309
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The problem is they wouldn't do it right... It can be done to work with the best crawlers out there but we know the O.E. wouldn't remotely put out something that functions properly for the dirt enthusiasts.
Due to "lack of interest" on the part of consumers. I guess that's why they can't keep raptors on the lot. I wish car companies would grow some balls in this country. I'm not a huge scion fan but their new rear wheel drive sports car is better then any front wheel drive crap out there. I would much rather purchase one of those then those dang FF infinity cars. I hate front wheel drive with a passion.
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Unread 09-20-2012, 12:36 PM   #16310
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Due to "lack of interest" on the part of consumers. I guess that's why they can't keep raptors on the lot. I wish car companies would grow some balls in this country. I'm not a huge scion fan but their new rear wheel drive sports car is better then any front wheel drive crap out there. I would much rather purchase one of those then those dang FF infinity cars. I hate front wheel drive with a passion.
The sad part is they did a lot of things right on the Raptors but so many things wrong. Nice suspension, Fox Shocks, factory style bumpstops. It is always like that with auto manufacturers. Jeep is no different. Look at the Rubi. Solid axle, Check. Locked D44's front and rear, Check. Crappy stamped steel control arms, sure why not.
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Unread 09-20-2012, 12:38 PM   #16311
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Yes, the raptor is amazing in sales and I'm sure has far exceeded the expectations of probably even a lot of the ford people. #1 SVE program ford has ever done I believe. But even with the raptor, from the dirt enthusiast perspective they still screwed up. There's a reason people that actually are using their raptors are swapping the stock rear leafs with deavers, plating the rear frame and adding a hydro bump and then also swapping out the upper control arm up front and putting on a real front shock and stepping up to a 37" tire. At that point the raptor can really actually work. But ford's stock raptor still fell short of where a true dirt enthusiast would want a production truck to be. When it comes down to it, I highly doubt we'll ever see a production truck that really truly works awesome in the dirt.
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Unread 09-20-2012, 12:41 PM   #16312
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The new tacoma toyota just released for instance that's they're high end "prerunner" model COMPLETELY missed the boat! If someone would come out with a "mini raptor" on like a ranger, tacoma, colorado, frontier type platform and actually finish the job and design a complete dirt package I bet it would sell amazing! Ford was so close but still checked up and limped across the finishline with the raptor. I think a smaller sized truck would sell really well. Something 4wd with 11-12" of travel up front, a shock that can truly work, not just a fox sticker street valved shock, a frame that can hold up to the abuse the truck can actually dish out by an average owner, etc...
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Unread 09-20-2012, 01:01 PM   #16313
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The new tacoma toyota just released for instance that's they're high end "prerunner" model COMPLETELY missed the boat! If someone would come out with a "mini raptor" on like a ranger, tacoma, colorado, frontier type platform and actually finish the job and design a complete dirt package I bet it would sell amazing! Ford was so close but still checked up and limped across the finishline with the raptor. I think a smaller sized truck would sell really well. Something 4wd with 11-12" of travel up front, a shock that can truly work, not just a fox sticker street valved shock, a frame that can hold up to the abuse the truck can actually dish out by an average owner, etc...
This is exactly right. I would be all about a truck like that.
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Unread 09-20-2012, 01:13 PM   #16314
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Marn, 0:27 into this...


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Unread 09-20-2012, 01:38 PM   #16315
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nice! it did alot better than mine.

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Unread 09-20-2012, 01:40 PM   #16316
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That's the problem with car development as I'm sure you know Khris. Is cost effectiveness. I'm sure if Ford could put together a hardcore dirt truck and sell it to make a profit I think they would. Personally I would never buy a raptor just due to the price. They start at $55,000 ish I think, its just to much for me to justify. Imagine what sales would have been like if they were $70-80,000 for a more heavy duty version? I guess that's why people build their own trucks. I just solved the problem. Make a HD version raptor. Do what they did when they released the mustang. Option the hell out of it do you can build what you want. I guess another company already does that to raptors. I remember reading something about a velociraptor that some company puts out. It seems like that was just supercharging or turbo charging the motor though. I don't think they change any suspension components.
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Unread 09-20-2012, 02:05 PM   #16317
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That's the problem with car development as I'm sure you know Khris. Is cost effectiveness. I'm sure if Ford could put together a hardcore dirt truck and sell it to make a profit I think they would. Personally I would never buy a raptor just due to the price. They start at $55,000 ish I think, its just to much for me to justify. Imagine what sales would have been like if they were $70-80,000 for a more heavy duty version? I guess that's why people build their own trucks. I just solved the problem. Make a HD version raptor. Do what they did when they released the mustang. Option the hell out of it do you can build what you want. I guess another company already does that to raptors. I remember reading something about a velociraptor that some company puts out. It seems like that was just supercharging or turbo charging the motor though. I don't think they change any suspension components.
The truck wouldn't cost that much if auto makers didn't want them to cost that much. The problem is they strap every whiz-bang item they can find onto their offroad derived vehicles. When was the last time you saw a Raptor with the low end stereo or interior? When was the last time you saw a Rubi that came out of the factory without the stereo or with a manual rearview mirror? You don't because the auto manufacturers won't do it. When my Dad was looking to buy a JK Rubi, he couldn't order one without a **** ton of other options that he didn't want or need. In the end, he bought a Sport because he couldn't really justify the inflated price of a Rubi.
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Unread 09-20-2012, 02:12 PM   #16318
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Due to "lack of interest" on the part of consumers. I guess that's why they can't keep raptors on the lot. I wish car companies would grow some balls in this country. I'm not a huge scion fan but their new rear wheel drive sports car is better then any front wheel drive crap out there. I would much rather purchase one of those then those dang FF infinity cars. I hate front wheel drive with a passion.
I will say that fwd cars do much better in the snow/ice. Get back with me when you have driven a 300 + WHP fwd car with a diff. That is a hand full and will make you suck up some seat cushion
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Unread 09-20-2012, 02:18 PM   #16319
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Dodge offers the ram runner to compete with the raptor but it's just not seeing the sales. It's on par though with the build it up using options rather then a prebuilt truck that you get what you get. It might not do as well just cause it's dodge or it might be because it's not sitting on the showrooms for people to see completed but rather in the accessory catalog. Personally, if I was going to buy a newer truck and wanted the performance of the raptor. I'd be buying a 4WD ram that was a couple years old used on the lot and have them do the ram runner conversion. That gets you the performance, gets you the new truck, cheaper cause you're using a year or two old platform but still covered under the factory warranty.

Now in reality, we all know I can't afford that crap and is the reason I'm building trucks that will out perform a raptor by hand in my garage. I'm excited for the day I go flying past a raptor with 3 times the hp in my little toyota that's a 4th of the cost! LOL
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Unread 09-20-2012, 02:20 PM   #16320
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I will say that fwd cars do much better in the snow/ice. Get back with me when you have driven a 300 + WHP fwd car with a diff. That is a hand full and will make you suck up some seat cushion
I can honestly say I've never driven a front wheel drive car with that much power. Even with a diff I bet the torque steer is ridiculous. Next time I get a chance I'll try it out. I bet it is fast but that isn't the only thing I care about when driving. It just doesn't have the same feel.
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