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Unread 09-07-2012, 11:12 AM   #15676
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Couldn't you use the non-perm loctite? I've never used I but I would think it is just a non-hardening compound like permatex type 2.

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Unread 09-07-2012, 11:14 AM   #15677
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After I wrote that I remembered the last time I bought permatex and the counter guy said I was the only person under 50 who still used it and the rest of the world is using right stuff.
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Unread 09-07-2012, 11:24 AM   #15678
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Yeah, I've got both types of loctite at the house but I'm just looking at my issues...

  1. don't want it coming loose cause well, those 6 bolts hold the hub mated to the spindle and it would be pretty poopy if it comes off.
  2. Don't want it on there too permanent cause it will be a ton of work in the future if those bolts don't let loose when I want them to with a wrench which is my hesitation of any loctite permanent or non...
So that's why I'm going the safety wire route. It's just a matter of learning to do it properly. It's not something I will be doing often or at least I'm not expecting to! LOL
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Unread 09-07-2012, 11:33 AM   #15679
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Yep there is a lot riding on it especially the abuse a race truck is going to take. I just have never used the loctite and was thinking of using them together. I've never safety wired anything either.

Just got a message from friendly ford. Warranty covered the repair I just have to take care of the $100 deductible. Sweeeeet.
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Unread 09-07-2012, 11:54 AM   #15680
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that's a rad way to start the day!
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Unread 09-07-2012, 11:58 AM   #15681
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And for the force on the bolts, you can see here basically what the spindle looks like without the hub bolted to it. There's a massive male slug portion of the hub assembly that indexes into it with basically a zero tolerance fit. So the shear load is all taken by just the design of the parts, all the bolts are doing is holding the two pieces together like I was saying...

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Unread 09-07-2012, 11:59 AM   #15682
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Safety wiring is WAY safer than loctite. I worked with a private aircraft mechanic back in high school. I did some safety wiring, but lost all the skill.
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Unread 09-07-2012, 12:32 PM   #15683
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Safety wiring is WAY safer than loctite. I worked with a private aircraft mechanic back in high school. I did some safety wiring, but lost all the skill.
That's what I figure and it keeps future removal easy...
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Unread 09-07-2012, 01:01 PM   #15684
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Yeah, I've got both types of loctite at the house but I'm just looking at my issues...

  1. don't want it coming loose cause well, those 6 bolts hold the hub mated to the spindle and it would be pretty poopy if it comes off.
  2. Don't want it on there too permanent cause it will be a ton of work in the future if those bolts don't let loose when I want them to with a wrench which is my hesitation of any loctite permanent or non...
So that's why I'm going the safety wire route. It's just a matter of learning to do it properly. It's not something I will be doing often or at least I'm not expecting to! LOL
My only question is when you do have to take it apart is it going to be something that is going to need to go back together quickly, such as a pit situation where getting back on the track is paramount? This is going to take someone with experience a couple of minutes to do. If it is something that is going to have to go back together quickly, I have another idea that is going to cost more but is going to take seconds and someone with zero experience can do.
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Unread 09-07-2012, 01:20 PM   #15685
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So, I have been having some discomfort from my left knee for a couple of days. No pain, just a little discomfort. I figured it was strained a little and decided to skip out on running for a couple days. Until this morning. I woke up and before I even got out of bed, I could tell something was wrong. My knee hurt. Not real bad but more so when I tried to move it. As I got up and ready for the day, I noticed that it not only hurt but was swollen as well. So, I went to the doc this morning. Doc told me that he is pretty sure that I tore the cartilage in my knee. I have to get an MRI to be sure but he doesn't think it could be anything else. Wonderful
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My issue was I couldn't get the balls centered. I had to use some extra force to get everything lined up right. It didn't take me long.


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Unread 09-07-2012, 01:21 PM   #15686
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My only question is when you do have to take it apart is it going to be something that is going to need to go back together quickly, such as a pit situation where getting back on the track is paramount? This is going to take someone with experience a couple of minutes to do. If it is something that is going to have to go back together quickly, I have another idea that is going to cost more but is going to take seconds and someone with zero experience can do.
are you thinking a large sheetmetal style washer with tabs on it. So one can be bent around the outside of the flange and the others can be bent around the bolt head?
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Unread 09-07-2012, 01:22 PM   #15687
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Safety wiring is WAY safer than loctite. I worked with a private aircraft mechanic back in high school. I did some safety wiring, but lost all the skill.
well yeah... that is why it is called SAFETY wire and not SAFETY loctite. haha
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Unread 09-07-2012, 01:27 PM   #15688
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maybe something like this


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Unread 09-07-2012, 01:28 PM   #15689
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are you thinking a large sheetmetal style washer with tabs on it. So one can be bent around the outside of the flange and the others can be bent around the bolt head?
No, those never seemed to hold well and I have seen a bolt spin without the washer spinning. Rare, but it does happen. My thought is actually what the aircraft industry is going to. Look up Saf-T-Cable. The tool runs around $350 but it is stupid fast, just as secure as safety wire, and anybody can do it.
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Unread 09-07-2012, 01:34 PM   #15690
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I'm not expecting it to be a quick type pit scenario so the speed involved isn't really anything that's of high importance to me honestly. Heck, at this point if anything hub related fails it's going on the trailer anyways at this point cause we don't have spares. The hubs themselves are not serviceable in the field without a press so until we drop the money on having a spare setup machined it would be a day ender either way.
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