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Unread 07-11-2013, 08:55 PM   #5776
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TJ Dana 30 is 27 spline.
I am going to go out on a limb here and give some unsolicited engine advice. Do whatever you want to but it is pretty solid advice for current engines. Mopar has made the inline 6 engine for quite a few years, first the 232, 258, 4.2L and the 4.0L. Same basic engine with some differences in carbs, fuel injection, and electronic controls. The later 4.0L that is computer run and fuel injected is pretty darned efficient, they took alot of time in developing it. If you take and change one end of a component, i.e. the fuel inectors; the computer and sensors will try to adjust for that but they only can do so much stock. Until you reprogram that computer and possibly change sensors, you are basically beating a dead horse. Simply put and I hope you can follow that. You may get a bit of improvement, but likely it won't be alot. Now, if you were to match the computer to the sensors, to the fuel injectors, to the timing, to the cam timing, to the air ratios, etc; then you could see large improvements. You won't see much by changing just one part of the total package. In the old pre computer days we could change everything else to match and get large gains of improvement. Today that damned computer just adjusts it where it wants to and that is what you get. A compromise. Mopar really did a pretty good job on the 4.0L, I would not mess with it. No throttle body whistlers, no neon injectors, no fancy exhausts, etc.
Now, if you really need to feel some seat of the pants acceleration; change your gear ratios or tire size. Done. Throw some 4.56's in there with those 31's and really notice a change. (And crappy mileage). Price you pay to play.
This advice was free, and worth exactly what you gave for it.
Thanks for the advice tumbleweed!!!

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Unread 07-11-2013, 09:12 PM   #5777
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Thanks for the advice tumbleweed!!!
X2 simple and not bad advice to boot :-)

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Unread 07-11-2013, 10:08 PM   #5778
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Jason and John are going and they are locked f/r. They should walk over it pretty easy I think. After that, we can hook a strap/winch for the rest of us to ease over it if we have problems.

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There is a bypass for the waterfall. I've tried it and my wheelbase killed me. I'll watch this time
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Unread 07-11-2013, 11:52 PM   #5779
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There is a bypass for the waterfall. I've tried it and my wheelbase killed me. I'll watch this time
Haha. Yeah I remember the story you told me. I don't mind pulling to the top and running a tag line to my Jeep for you like you wanted. That way you can say you did it!

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Unread 07-12-2013, 03:25 AM   #5780
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The water fall is all about wheel base. The extra 10" in an XJ makes a difference

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A TJ on the same day...

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Oh man Chili. I feel like a recovering addict that just had a bag of blow, a bottle of Jameson, and a sack dropped in his lap. You screwed me man!
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Unread 07-12-2013, 04:36 AM   #5781
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where is this trail???
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Unread 07-12-2013, 08:16 AM   #5782
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TJ Dana 30 is 27 spline.
I am going to go out on a limb here and give some unsolicited engine advice. Do whatever you want to but it is pretty solid advice for current engines. Mopar has made the inline 6 engine for quite a few years, first the 232, 258, 4.2L and the 4.0L. Same basic engine with some differences in carbs, fuel injection, and electronic controls. The later 4.0L that is computer run and fuel injected is pretty darned efficient, they took alot of time in developing it. If you take and change one end of a component, i.e. the fuel inectors; the computer and sensors will try to adjust for that but they only can do so much stock. Until you reprogram that computer and possibly change sensors, you are basically beating a dead horse. Simply put and I hope you can follow that. You may get a bit of improvement, but likely it won't be alot. Now, if you were to match the computer to the sensors, to the fuel injectors, to the timing, to the cam timing, to the air ratios, etc; then you could see large improvements. You won't see much by changing just one part of the total package. In the old pre computer days we could change everything else to match and get large gains of improvement. Today that damned computer just adjusts it where it wants to and that is what you get. A compromise. Mopar really did a pretty good job on the 4.0L, I would not mess with it. No throttle body whistlers, no neon injectors, no fancy exhausts, etc.
Now, if you really need to feel some seat of the pants acceleration; change your gear ratios or tire size. Done. Throw some 4.56's in there with those 31's and really notice a change. (And crappy mileage). Price you pay to play.
This advice was free, and worth exactly what you gave for it.

thanks tumbleweed! i think im going to go with these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHf-6...ded:2thumbsup:
simply for the fact of better atomization which has more efficient burn look at the videw its pretty interesting the difference between the stock 1 hole and bosh 4 hole (same fuel flow)
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Unread 07-12-2013, 07:11 PM   #5783
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i wonder what all this guy broke jumping his what looks stock tj awesome air though

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Unread 07-12-2013, 10:45 PM   #5784
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where is this trail???
The videos I posted were taken right here: 43.270189, -116.679067


As always I would recommend going with a group of people (at least one other capable vehicle) if you're going to attempt any trail. That being said, there is a road right next to this trail so any stock 4x4 could drive along and watch, as is often the case.
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Unread 07-13-2013, 09:05 AM   #5785
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Engine performance; technology is catching up quickly and times are a changing. What I will describe is now available locally for Chevy small and big block gas motors, many diesels, and soon to be for Ford and Mopar gas motors. It will be using software and programs to rewrite your computer.
They can rewrite your vehicle computer to change timing, fuel injector timing, knock sensor values, shift points and duration, idle speeds, temperatures, etc. The list is nearly endless. Cost is in the $200 range. To better explain this, I had my Chevy pickup with the 5.3L gas motor done last Nov. Let's use it as the example.
Stock my truck lists 284HP. I chose a basic tune that should give me a little more mid range, maybe some mpg, and no changes to smog controls or shift points in the transmission. An hour or so later this is what I got back. 315HP, one mpg increase at highway speeds, no smog changes and no shift changes. I did not want all out performance or to bypass any smog check requirements. 31HP increase-dyno verified on a similar truck with the same tune! An 11% increase in HP! That is a bunch. And no decrease in mpg.
Consider that in 1967 a SS Camaro was the same engine size (327ci) and 325HP. Those were muscle cars back then, and now my 4x4 pickup crewcab gets nearly the same HP. And you can feel the difference in the seat of your pants.
Best improvement mod I have ever done on any vehicle.
BTW, the majority of KOH racers are using the same technology now.
For more local info, contact Josh at Skinny Pedal Products (or Voodoo Injection-same guy).
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Unread 07-13-2013, 09:13 AM   #5786
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Sorry guys, I won't be able to make the run tomorrow. Didn't get the YJ registered or finished with the crazy work schedule I had this week. Maybe next time.
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Sorry guys, I won't be able to make the run tomorrow. Didn't get the YJ registered or finished with the crazy work schedule I had this week. Maybe next time.
Not going to be able to make it tomorrow either next time though!
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Unread 07-13-2013, 05:19 PM   #5789
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Tumbleweed - as always you are a wealth of information. I however cannot recommend Josh. I have had a warranty issue with him and he has blown me off for the last 4 months. In fact, I only bought the yj I did on his word since he did the motor swap for the p.o. I discovered a critical issue with his transmission wiring that must be fixed and after showing up to two scheduled appointments in which he never showed, and being blown off half a dozen more times, he won't even return my calls now. I've talked to multiple people that have had similar problems with his "customer service" I can say that I would personally tell anyone to find another shop.

It's unfortunate because his reputation as an ace mechanic is well known.

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Not going to be able to make it tomorrow either next time though!
Bummer!

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If I had that experience with a shop; I would not be happy either.
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