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Unread 12-08-2011, 02:06 PM   #61
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Hola.. new to jf.. been on wf for a while.. :-)

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Unread 12-08-2011, 02:27 PM   #62
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Jk 7 Mile ORV Area Outing

Planning on going out to 7 Mile one of the Saturdays in January. Too much going on the rest of this month, unless someone wants to do a New Years' "Hangover" run on Jan 1st.

Hoping to have some snow when we go out - lots of fun in the snow, unless its way too much!

Either e-mail me (PM okay) or keep an eye on this thread for more information as we get closer (I know it won't be the 14th as I've got an all-day commitment that day. Thinking probably the 21st.
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Unread 12-08-2011, 02:38 PM   #63
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I dont do 7 mile.. i'd rather not pay $30 a year to use a park that you're tired of before you even get there.
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Unread 12-08-2011, 02:52 PM   #64
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I dont do 7 mile.. i'd rather not pay $30 a year to use a park that you're tired of before you even get there.
I agree, but that's the only legal place to go off-road in the Spokane area. We might have a new ORV park opening in Kootenai County ID next year, but that's still in the works. It will be approximately 1,000 acres compared to the 600 acres at 7 Mile.

There are seven recognized 4x4 trails in the Colville National Forest (northwest of Kettle Falls).

There's also trails in northern Idaho that I'm familiar with. We could always go that, but I'd plan on a full day of wheeling.
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Unread 12-08-2011, 05:31 PM   #65
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Colville National Forest is just too freaking far away.
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Unread 12-08-2011, 05:48 PM   #66
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Jk Re: COlville NF

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Colville National Forest is just too freaking far away.
I agree, that's why I mentioned northern Idaho because the trails I'm familiar with are near Cataldo and that's always planned as an all-day trip, but generally ends up being less unless you run into a lot of snow or have breakdowns.

Any time you want to set up a trip to south of Cataldo, just let me know, although right now there's snow on the trails which makes a couple of spots somewhat tricky.
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Unread 12-08-2011, 08:11 PM   #67
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snow or no snow doesn't matter but i'm out of town till the end of the year..
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Unread 12-08-2011, 10:23 PM   #68
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There are other places we go wheeling in spokane besides 7 mile
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Unread 12-08-2011, 10:27 PM   #69
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There are other places we go wheeling in spokane besides 7 mile
Notice I said "legal" places to ride.

As an advocate trying to get more local roads opened to OHVs, I don't advocate illegal riding. That just encourages the "greenies" to close more areas to off-roading.
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Unread 12-09-2011, 07:27 AM   #70
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If the places we go aren't implicitly marked as illegal its safe for one to assume they are not illegal to ride on.. there are no signs disallowing motorized vehicles.. not our fault if they don't mark it.. hell there arent even discovery pass required signs
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Unread 12-09-2011, 09:53 AM   #71
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If the places we go aren't implicitly marked as illegal its safe for one to assume they are not illegal to ride on.. there are no signs disallowing motorized vehicles.. not our fault if they don't mark it.. hell there arent even discovery pass required signs
While I agree with you, with the way today's environmentalists think, that line of thinking is what causes us to loose legal places to ride.

For example, since the 2005 rule, the USFS says their roads/trails are open only if they are so designated on the Motor Vehicle Use Maps. (MVUMs). They even admit on their MVUMs that not all their roads/trails are so marked on the ground and that it is the motorized operator's responsibility to ensure they are on a legally open road. I have copies of the Colville NF and the Idaho Panhandle NF MVUMs. They are also available at the BLM Map Room in Spokane Valley as well as online. And they are free!

But it's not all bad. We have just opened an additional 160 miles of roads in the south end of the Colville NF for OHVs. So while a lot of places are open, we are getting additional mileage. And even though the Colville NF has completed their forest-wide travel management planning, the previous forest supervisor has stated (and I see no reason the current forest supervisor won't discontinue it), they are now going to look at small areas within the Colville where additional roads/trails can be opened.

And there is an initiative within the state legislature to open all roads in WA state with a speed limit of 35 MPH or less to OHVs. While that's primarily aimed at ATVs and dirt bikes, we are finally getting this state to be more OHV-friendly - like Oregon and Idaho are already.

As for your statement about Discover Pass (not discovery pass), This is something new and I'm sure not all places where it's required may not have posted signs yet (just about every place I've been where I thought it was required had them posted. I've seen this not only here in eastern WA, but also out near Cle Elum as well as on the west side of the Cascades). Again, according to the law, it is the recreationist who is responsible to display the Discover Pass in those areas where it is required. Information is available online for this as well. It is changing as the law is interpreted.

I would like to encourage you to change your thinking about where you can legally ride. Just because it doesn't say you can't ride there does not mean you can.
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Unread 12-09-2011, 10:21 AM   #72
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If people are allowed to drive motorized vehicles and hunt animals in these areas then me driving in them without hunting is also allowed right?
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Unread 12-09-2011, 11:33 AM   #73
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If people are allowed to drive motorized vehicles and hunt animals in these areas then me driving in them without hunting is also allowed right?
Nope; they still have to abide by an motorized rules. Hunting does not invalidate that.
If a hunter wants to hunt in an area that is not open to motorized travel, they have two options: (1) On foot; or (2) Obtain a motorized access permit (which generally would not be issued).
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Unread 12-09-2011, 11:36 AM   #74
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I honestly think that within my lifetime we will see a continued decline in peoples interest in offroading.. every year we lose vehicles that make a good on and offroading platforms.. 20 years from now we'll be left with the mostly plastic "offroad" garbage vehicles being produced today.. they are built with way too much luxury in mind.. too many computerized components.. gone are the days of simplicity in mind, and we're left with vehicles so convoluted with BS the average person would rather buy a new rig than fix what they have.. mostly because its just too hard to do on your own anymore, and costs way too much to take to a shop. I think the JK is a prime example of the decline. Jeep cares too much about what edmunds and other vehicle review companies think about creature comforts and ride quality.. so thats their focus.. most owners of these new vehicles would rather not chance breaking something on the trail and thus keep it mostly on road.. sure now a days this might not totally be the case but its just a matter of time. Also look at emissions restrictions our own government imposes on auto manufacturers.. look at the amc 4l i6, regarded by many as the best offroad motor ever made.. starting late 99 was the beginning of the end for that motor.. ultimately killed in 06 because of emissions..

the reason I bring all this up is because now is the time to relish in what we have.. because in due time it will be gone. The hippies will keep winning and nothing we do will stop that.
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Unread 12-09-2011, 11:38 AM   #75
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Nope; they still have to abide by an motorized rules. Hunting does not invalidate that.
If a hunter wants to hunt in an area that is not open to motorized travel, they have two options: (1) On foot; or (2) Obtain a motorized access permit (which generally would not be issued).
The area is opened to motorized travel.
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