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Hah, it won't take that long. Just 4 self-tapping screws per bracket, then another 4 bolts/nuts per bracket to mount the flaps. Fun will be later when we take the rear bumper off so I can get the shackle relocation brackets in. I'm pretty sure a 3/8" or 1/4" ratchet with some swivels can take care of the hidden bolts. Maybe I can get those out sometime this week, then it will just be the 8 easy ones to worry about.
I put mud flaps on, and made them so I can remove them when I go on the trails.
There have been many times here in the PNW when the rain has come down in buckets when I'm on the freeway. Or driving through the wet, sloppy west side snow we sometimes get here in the Seattle area. And when a rig is in front of me that doesn't have mudflaps, it can make for some serious white knuckle driving.
When I think of folks that these kind of conditions can scare the crap out of, that aren't prepared for the extreme conditions like the elderly, and/or the non-savvy drivers who have just as much right to be on the road that I have, I can't justify my own selfish reasons for not wanting mud flaps. So I made some removable ones for the front, and will do the same for the rear. Yes it was/is a P.I.T.A. for me, but it's not about "me", that much I know.
My thought is that when stock, the factory flares meet DOT requirements, however when we add wider tires that stick out past the factory flares that's when it becomes an issue, often resolved with extended flares and/or mud flaps.
Extended flares are great on the road, but they're often a magnet on PNW trails for carnage. I had the Rugged Ridge 7" extended flares for a while. My friends hated the way they looked, but they were great for keeping the side windows clean & minimized spray, and likely made that aspect of my rig "legal". But one trip to the Evans Creek trail system, and both drivers side flares were toast. So I bagged them.
Now I run the 1st generation MCE Flatty's up front, with removable mud flaps. I don't believe I'm technically legal, but they seem to work for me "so far".
I got a fix it ticket once when my CJ was lifted 2.5" and on 32's. I ran it for years with a spring over and 35's without flaps and never got pulled over, it just depends on the cop.
That's the biggest frustration, there's no consistency with the enforcement of it. Never once had an issue with my YJ and have had my XJ for 4 years now; plenty of other cops surely had to have noticed. A buttload of states don't even require flares or flaps, so clearly there's no federal concern over them or the safety they supposedly provide.
In my opinion, if you're getting 'too much spray' from another vehicle, you're probably following too close for conditions anyway. It amazes me seeing vehicles doing 65-70 on the freeways, usually with only 2-3 car lengths worth of space. Even in ideally dry and sunny weather that's way too damn close.
That's the biggest frustration, there's no consistency with the enforcement of it.
As true as that is it's unfortunate that the law is so vague and ultimately left up to the decision of the one enforcing. It is good in a way, but bad at times too...I've gotten away with a lot just due to military ID, but you get an upset officer who's having a bad day and you're screwed.
Originally Posted by 1982cj8
State law requires them even when stock but does not make the manufacturer put them on.
I'll keep that in mind when I get my lift.
Originally Posted by RaggedOleMan
My thought is that when stock, the factory flares meet DOT requirements, however when we add wider tires that stick out past the factory flares that's when it becomes an issue,
I was thinking the same
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that may be but i figured may as well get so i dont get screwed with anymore. besides i dont have them on most of the time if i do get pulled over i have them in the back and just tell him i forgot to put them back on after wheeling
95 zj 5.2, 7" long arm IRO 35'' dynapro mts, np242 dana 44a rear and dana 30