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Unread 11-20-2012, 11:52 PM   #16
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Unread 11-21-2012, 02:46 AM   #17
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Hah, it won't take that long. Just 4 self-tapping screws per bracket, then another 4 bolts/nuts per bracket to mount the flaps. Fun will be later when we take the rear bumper off so I can get the shackle relocation brackets in. I'm pretty sure a 3/8" or 1/4" ratchet with some swivels can take care of the hidden bolts. Maybe I can get those out sometime this week, then it will just be the 8 easy ones to worry about.
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Unread 11-26-2012, 03:52 PM   #18
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I've been pulled over once, but I will never put mudflaps on. It will always be a warning I get. I don't mean to sound like a brat, but I'm not crazy about the look of mud flaps. Not on my to-do list.
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Unread 11-26-2012, 07:17 PM   #19
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I put mud flaps on, and made them so I can remove them when I go on the trails.

There have been many times here in the PNW when the rain has come down in buckets when I'm on the freeway. Or driving through the wet, sloppy west side snow we sometimes get here in the Seattle area. And when a rig is in front of me that doesn't have mudflaps, it can make for some serious white knuckle driving.

When I think of folks that these kind of conditions can scare the crap out of, that aren't prepared for the extreme conditions like the elderly, and/or the non-savvy drivers who have just as much right to be on the road that I have, I can't justify my own selfish reasons for not wanting mud flaps. So I made some removable ones for the front, and will do the same for the rear. Yes it was/is a P.I.T.A. for me, but it's not about "me", that much I know.
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Unread 11-26-2012, 09:20 PM   #20
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I got a fix it ticket once when my CJ was lifted 2.5" and on 32's. I ran it for years with a spring over and 35's without flaps and never got pulled over, it just depends on the cop.
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Unread 11-27-2012, 07:15 AM   #21
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Ok so this seems odd. State law requires mud flaps even though Jeeps stock do not have them? Or does this only apply to lifted vehicles?
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Unread 11-27-2012, 08:36 AM   #22
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Ok so this seems odd. State law requires mud flaps even though Jeeps stock do not have them? Or does this only apply to lifted vehicles?
State law requires them even when stock but does not make the manufacturer put them on.
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Unread 11-27-2012, 10:35 AM   #23
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My thought is that when stock, the factory flares meet DOT requirements, however when we add wider tires that stick out past the factory flares that's when it becomes an issue, often resolved with extended flares and/or mud flaps.

Extended flares are great on the road, but they're often a magnet on PNW trails for carnage. I had the Rugged Ridge 7" extended flares for a while. My friends hated the way they looked, but they were great for keeping the side windows clean & minimized spray, and likely made that aspect of my rig "legal". But one trip to the Evans Creek trail system, and both drivers side flares were toast. So I bagged them.

Now I run the 1st generation MCE Flatty's up front, with removable mud flaps. I don't believe I'm technically legal, but they seem to work for me "so far".
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Unread 11-27-2012, 02:50 PM   #24
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I got a fix it ticket once when my CJ was lifted 2.5" and on 32's. I ran it for years with a spring over and 35's without flaps and never got pulled over, it just depends on the cop.
That's the biggest frustration, there's no consistency with the enforcement of it. Never once had an issue with my YJ and have had my XJ for 4 years now; plenty of other cops surely had to have noticed. A buttload of states don't even require flares or flaps, so clearly there's no federal concern over them or the safety they supposedly provide.

In my opinion, if you're getting 'too much spray' from another vehicle, you're probably following too close for conditions anyway. It amazes me seeing vehicles doing 65-70 on the freeways, usually with only 2-3 car lengths worth of space. Even in ideally dry and sunny weather that's way too damn close.
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Unread 11-27-2012, 06:54 PM   #25
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That's the biggest frustration, there's no consistency with the enforcement of it.
As true as that is it's unfortunate that the law is so vague and ultimately left up to the decision of the one enforcing. It is good in a way, but bad at times too...I've gotten away with a lot just due to military ID, but you get an upset officer who's having a bad day and you're screwed.


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State law requires them even when stock but does not make the manufacturer put them on.
I'll keep that in mind when I get my lift.


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My thought is that when stock, the factory flares meet DOT requirements, however when we add wider tires that stick out past the factory flares that's when it becomes an issue,
I was thinking the same
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Unread 12-01-2012, 06:16 PM   #26
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i have ga plates and when the patrol officer pulled me over he said he didnt care about what other state cared about or didnt care about
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Unread 12-01-2012, 09:10 PM   #27
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i have ga plates and when the patrol officer pulled me over he said he didnt care about what other state cared about or didnt care about
all he was doing was giving you a hard time (looking for easy $$$$). if your are still a ga resident and your jeep is registered there (ga dot legal) he cant do jack and he knows it.
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Unread 12-02-2012, 02:33 PM   #28
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that may be but i figured may as well get so i dont get screwed with anymore. besides i dont have them on most of the time if i do get pulled over i have them in the back and just tell him i forgot to put them back on after wheeling
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Unread 12-14-2012, 02:36 PM   #29
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does anyone know the laws in washington regarding mud flaps....when do you have to have them on?

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They'll only be ***holes if you are throwing mud off your tires or dirt other then that they don't mind. Same with wheel sticking out of fenders.
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They'll only be ***holes if you are throwing mud off your tires or dirt other then that they don't mind. Same with wheel sticking out of fenders.
Not true, I was stopped 2 times in Kirkland and 1 time in issaquah by state patrol. And given warnings/ fix it tickets. All times were in good weather. I drive normally.
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