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Unread 05-02-2012, 01:23 PM   #1
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Smittybilt XRC8 or Superwinch LP8500

What do you all think? Which is a better buy? Both are 299.99 + shipping. The superwinch is rated at 8500lbs and the Smittybilt is 8000 but that's not enough to sway my decision. I'm a weekend warrior on the trails and want the piece of mind of being able to winch out when alone. Warn is too expensive so let's stick to these two for now.

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Unread 05-02-2012, 01:32 PM   #2
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Unread 05-02-2012, 03:08 PM   #3
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Can't go wrong with either.

I got the Smitty because it was in-stock at 4WP and I could go pick it up immediately before the wife changed her mind about me spending $700 on the Jeep (for receiver, winch cradle, winch, and wiring).

The XRC8 has a great reputation as a good, reliable budget winch. Superwinch has a great reputation too.

Let's compare amp draw, pulling power, and line speed. Some winches fall off quickly in power with added wraps. Bear with me I don't know what the results will be here.

SmittyBilt
Wrap 1 8000 lb
Wrap 2 6900 lb
Wrap 3 5850 lb
Wrap 4 5100 lb

So it drops from 8000 down to 5100lbs on the outermost wrap of cable.

Line speed and amp draw (first layer)
No load 37.2 fpm, 75A
2000 lbs 18 fpm, 195A
4000 lbs 13.1 fpm, 260A
6000 lbs 10.2 fpm, 335A
8000 lbs 8.2fpm, 410A

Superwinch (still looking for data on pull by number of wraps)

Line speed and amp draw (first layer)
No load 18 fpm, 84A
2500 lbs 9.8 fpm, 156A
4500 lbs 7.5 fpm, 215A
6500 lbs 6.0 fpm, 270A
8500 lbs, 3.5 fpm, 320A

My conclusion here is that the LP8500 draws a lot less current with the 4.5hp motor than the Smittybilt's 5.5hp motor. The SB has a lower gear reduction 172.8:1 instead of 235:1 and as a result, pulls a LOT faster than the Superwinch. By the time the Superwinch hits 4500 lbs it is lower than the slowest speed of the Smitty.

Both have the same length and grade of cable. I think the Smittybilt wins this comparo, at least on paper.
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Unread 05-02-2012, 04:54 PM   #4
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I ordered the Smitty. Now, what should I do about power? Dual battery? Single dry cell battery? It will be the only aftermarket toy that needs additional power for now although adding some power to the back for an air compressor, camping fridge etc wouldn't be a bad idea.
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Unread 05-02-2012, 05:55 PM   #5
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Im also torn between the two. Although I was looking at the smittybilt xrc8 comp with the synthetic line.
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Unread 05-02-2012, 06:00 PM   #6
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I found it was less expensive to buy the winch with the cable and buy the replacement synthetic line seperate.
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Unread 05-02-2012, 06:05 PM   #7
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A single good battery will do you fine. I've heard too many reports of Optima's decline in quality of late, I think Sears has the best battery on the market in their Die Hard Platinum line.

I too would buy the synthetic line separately. Smittybilt had an issue about a year ago where they were shipping their XRC8 comps with hooks only rated at 3000lbs. They replaced all the hooks, but I'd go with a name-brand synthetic line with a rated hook/safety thimble over what comes in the box with the XRC8 Comp.

I would love to have synth on my XRC8 though, that winch + cradle is heavvvvy.
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Unread 05-02-2012, 06:08 PM   #8
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What about if I add additional accessories in the rear for camping? Won't I need a second battery to power those items with the engine off?
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Unread 05-02-2012, 06:15 PM   #9
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Depends. A lot of "expedition rigs" have a dual-batt setup. But things like the ARB fridge is only like .75A to run. Me? I have a cooler and a bag of ice. Look at "reserve capacity" ratings. I spent about a hundred bucks on a battery to get 1000CA and 150 minute reserve capacity. That's the ability to run 150 minutes with a draw of 20 amps and still be able to start the engine. It's going to take a lot of camping accessories to drain that.
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Unread 05-02-2012, 06:18 PM   #10
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Good to know about the synthetic line. Ill probably pick up a Viking then. Any idea diameter size?
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Unread 05-02-2012, 06:28 PM   #11
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3/8 is overkill but provides a good safety margin for abrasion.
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Unread 05-02-2012, 06:32 PM   #12
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Good to know. Looks like I will be ordering this: http://www.amsteelblue.com/item/AB516125TCR/ along with my winch too.
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Unread 05-02-2012, 06:36 PM   #13
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Yes, but price that, I'm sure you can find it for much cheaper.
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Unread 05-02-2012, 06:39 PM   #14
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Ok, I understand the battery issue. I was trying to spoil myself really. Maybe thoughts for another day.
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Unread 05-02-2012, 06:43 PM   #15
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Yes, but price that, I'm sure you can find it for much cheaper.
Ill spend a whole day trying to get it at the lowest price haha. That seams to be a habit before buying anything now along with a good full day of reviews/research.
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