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Unread 02-11-2013, 10:50 AM   #76
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I'm confused by this. once you put the key in and turn it to the on position, can't you just turn the key back to turn it off? I wouldn't think the brake shutdown would have anything to do with it.
I could be wrong though
Nope because its still being powered by the remote start unit until the time limit runs out, which I have set for 24 minutes. Once you put the key and press the brake, that is supposed to kill the power from the remote start unit, parking lights will turn off and it will drive like normal. Without the brake shutdown, the parking lights stay on and I can turn the key back off but it will remain running. I have a two way remote that tells me when the remote start unit is active. And it is active until I either push the button on the remote to turn it back off, or the timer runs out. Hope that clears it up.

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Unread 02-11-2013, 11:07 AM   #77
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that does make sense now that you put it that way. man that would be a pain if that didn't work. hope you can figure somethin out
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Unread 02-13-2013, 09:47 AM   #78
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anyone figure out how to wire the Avital's built in starter protection circuit so you can't get in the already started jeep, put the key in and turn it too far which grinds the starter into moving flywheel?> I ask cuz i just did that...
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Unread 02-13-2013, 01:48 PM   #79
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Funny you mention "professionals"...

When I was shopping around for a remote start / keyless entry system, I asked around to see which system would be the easiest to work with and I remember this one "pro" (claiming to have been in the biz for over 15 years) telling me that a remote starter in an 04 Jeep Grand Cherokee was one of the MOST difficult to install of all cars, even a Lambo... Yes he really did compare the Jeep to a Lambo.

He said that it would take at minimum 3-4+ hours to wire up the electronics and the component costs alone were north of $300. Now I knew the prices he was quoting was more on the retail end of the spectrum, but the last thing I wanted to do is spend the 3-4+ hours wiring up my Jeep. It scared me a bit, but after doing some research online and speaking with others who had systems installed in their Jeeps, I quickly realized it wasn't as hard or time consuming as some of these "pro's" were saying it was.

I kind of feel as if they were saying that it was hard to install to discourage the DIY'ers (like myself) from giving it a go....

If you have basic automotive electrical knowledge, and can follow simple wiring diagrams (tap, cut, splice, connect), you CAN install this kit!

I say go for it!

Actually, believe it or not, he wasn't exactly lying to you. What the OP has posted is a fairly new system. All these independent alarm shops have a specific brand they try to shove down your throat, and to make those specific brands work with a Jeep can be very expensive (I got quoted $600 for a compustar install lol)
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Nope because its still being powered by the remote start unit until the time limit runs out, which I have set for 24 minutes. Once you put the key and press the brake, that is supposed to kill the power from the remote start unit, parking lights will turn off and it will drive like normal. Without the brake shutdown, the parking lights stay on and I can turn the key back off but it will remain running. I have a two way remote that tells me when the remote start unit is active. And it is active until I either push the button on the remote to turn it back off, or the timer runs out. Hope that clears it up.
If you look at the Xpresskit page for the DBALL and the WJ, it shows that the brake switch functionality isn't present. You'll need to wire the remote start unit (or alarm) to the brake light switch at the brake pedal.
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Unread 02-14-2013, 12:40 PM   #81
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i just found out the hard way that i have the same exact problem with brake switch not wired, i remote started last night as i was walking out to lot, got in turned key and drove away, about 12 minutes later as i'm driving 35mph, car completely shuts off, i had to coast to stop put in park before it would restart again, and i realized the brake switch is not disarming the system meaning it thinks its still on countdown to shut itself off which it does. What now?
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Unread 02-14-2013, 04:20 PM   #82
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If you have the ignition in the run position the remote start should not have shut of the engine. Regardless of the brake wire
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Unread 02-14-2013, 06:36 PM   #83
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i just found out the hard way that i have the same exact problem with brake switch not wired, i remote started last night as i was walking out to lot, got in turned key and drove away, about 12 minutes later as i'm driving 35mph, car completely shuts off, i had to coast to stop put in park before it would restart again, and i realized the brake switch is not disarming the system meaning it thinks its still on countdown to shut itself off which it does. What now?
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H2/3 BROWN (+) BRAKE SWITCH SHUTDOWN WIRE

Connect it to Pin 5 Wht/Tan on the Brake Switch harness
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i just found out the hard way that i have the same exact problem with brake switch not wired, i remote started last night as i was walking out to lot, got in turned key and drove away, about 12 minutes later as i'm driving 35mph, car completely shuts off, i had to coast to stop put in park before it would restart again, and i realized the brake switch is not disarming the system meaning it thinks its still on countdown to shut itself off which it does. What now?
"Key take over procedure" not happening,,,
Thats the problem as i see it, the brake shut down Are for safety, for shuting down the engine, i dont think this is your problem
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Unread 02-16-2013, 06:18 AM   #85
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So what does that mean?
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Idk 100% how your avital Works but the Viper is set as you take over car when key is turned in ignition, then the remote start/alarm should disable/desarm and allow you to run your car for how Long as you want.
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Idk 100% how your avital Works but the Viper is set as you take over car when key is turned in ignition, then the remote start/alarm should disable/desarm and allow you to run your car for how Long as you want.
The Avital doesn't have that feature, but it shouldn't matter. If the key is in the run position, the jeep will continue running regardless if the avital is activated or not. I just think he didn't have the key turned all the way.
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Unread 02-16-2013, 01:39 PM   #88
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For the guys having troubles with the d2d did you ground the white with blue stripe wire before connecting your power harness on the avital to set the avital into d2d Mode.
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So with the DBall is there no need to wire the door locks and brake? is this done through the cars computer system and DBALL? also did you ground the White with blue stripe wire before connecting your power harness on the avital to set the avital into D2D mode and noted on a reply here?
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Hey guys, I thought I would share with you all my remote start experience on my 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee....

Total install time... 1.5 hrs

Equipment you will need...
1. Avital 4103 Remote Start & Keyless Entry System D2D compatible $75.
2. Expresskit DBALL Integration / Bypass Module $50.

Before we begin, let me start off by saying, although this is relatively an easy DIY install, if you feel you're not up to the task or do not really know what you're doing, leave it to a pro. The wire colors I have stated are what I used on my 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee, and from my research should be the same for all 99-04 Grand Cherokee models, but DOUBLE CHECK all yours to be sure. NEVER just go by what they say the wires are on paper, always TEST THEM to be sure!

Step 1...
A. Remove the plastic panel directly underneath your gauges, by prying it up and out. There are no screws that hold it in place. It simply will pop off.

B. Remove the large panel under your dash (the panel across your knees). It is held in place by a total of 5 screws.

C. Remove the steering wheel column cover. One recessed philips screw hold it together, and then you simply pull the two halves apart.

Now you have access to all the areas of your vehicle where you will need to tap / connect into to install your system.

Step 2...
A. On the DBALL module, connect the PINK (+) ignition input lead coming from harness 10 (there are five harness inputs, labeled 2, 12, 14, 4 and 10) to the YELLOW (+) ignition output of the Avital 4103.

B. Tap the VIOLET / YELLOW J1850 lead coming from harness 14 on the DBALL module to PIN 2 on the Jeeps OBDII diagnostic connector.

C. On the bottom side of the steering column, you will find the key immobilizer module. Cut the wire coming from PIN 3 (DARK BLUE / WHITE) and connect the immobilizer side end to the ORANGE / YELLOW wire coming from harness 14 on the DBALL module, and then connect the car side end to the YELLOW wire coming from harness 14 on the DBALL module.

D. On the left side of the steering column, you will find the headlight switch. Tap both the VIOLET / GREEN and VIOLET / BROWN wires coming from harness 12 on the DBALL module to PIN 11 (YELLOW) on the white headlight switch connector.

E. On the bottom side of the steering column, you will find the ignition switch connector. Tap the two RED 12V high current input wires coming from "large gauge starting harness" on the Avital unit to the single RED wire on the ignition switch connector. Tap the PINK ignition output wire coming from "large gauge starting harness" on the Avital unit to the DARK BLUE on the ignition switch connector. Tap the VIOLET starter output wire coming from "large gauge starting harness" on the Avital unit to the YELLOW on the ignition switch connector. Tap the ORANGE accessory 1 output wire coming from "large gauge starting harness" on the Avital unit to the RED / BLACK on the ignition switch connector. Tap the PINK / WHITE ignition 2 output wire coming from "large gauge starting harness" on the Avital unit to the BLACK / ORANGE wire on the ignition switch.

F. Connect (or ground) the BLACK / WHITE neutral safety shutdown wire coming from the Avital 4103 unit.

G. Connect (ground) the BLACK ground wire coming from the Avital 4103 unit.

H. Plug in the extended range antenna to the Avital unit. Route and install in an appropriate location.

I. Plug in the valet / programming button to the Avital unit. Route and install in an appropriate location.

That's it for the wiring! You can tie up or cut all the extra unused wires and leads. Now it's time to program the module for D2D mode and finalize the installation.

Step 3...
A. Connect the D2D harness to the Avital unit but NOT to the DBALL module. Now connect harness 10, 12, 14 to the DBALL module. Press and hold the programming button, then connect the 4-pin D2D harness. Wait until the LED turns on ORANGE then release the programming button. The LED should now be RED. D2D connection is now complete!

B. To program the key bypass, insert the key into the ignition barrel and turn it to the ON position. The LED turns on solid GREEN for 3 seconds and the turns off. Turn the key to the OFF position and remove the key. Bypass is now complete!

And you're done!!! Give yourself a pat on your back!!!

Go ahead and test the system out, and if everything's working as it should, it's time to zip-tie and clean everything up. A good place to secure both the Avital unit and the DBALL module is right behind the fuse panel. It's a tight space, but everything does fit there nicely.

Naturally you can use any remote start / keyless entry system, but one that is D2D compatible (as with the the Avital 4103 and most late model Viper systems), really does simply everything. It eliminates the need to cut, tap and splice a dozen plus more wires.

Good luck and enjoy!
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FYI.. wiring for vehicles.
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