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Unread 12-12-2013, 08:39 PM   #1
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Overland Springs (Upcountry) - Moog, Raybestos?

So, I bought my WJ not too long ago, and it came with a 2" spacer lift. I'm not a huge fan of spacers and want to go with a new set of springs. This is my family rig and I honestly don't do any major wheeling, So I though I would just go with new isolators and some overland springs for a 1" lift, err one inch lower then my current height. I have seen several different manufacturers of springs, namely Moog and Reybestos (Proessional Grade) and of course the factory ones. What's the difference? Why are the Reybestos $15 to $20 more a spring then the Moog parts?


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Unread 12-12-2013, 08:40 PM   #2
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Why aren't you satisfied with the spacers?
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Unread 12-12-2013, 08:56 PM   #3
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I would like a slightly stiffer spring rate, this thing feel like a fat pig while turning. I have the addco rear sway bar waiting in my garage to be installed to also help with this. Also want things more in line with original factory geometry. I'm currently at 20" all around from hub center to fender.

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Unread 12-12-2013, 09:37 PM   #4
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Good question about the difference. I would guess one of the options produces the springs for Chrysler. At the prices I have found there is some serious savings in going with the aftermarket parts.
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Unread 12-12-2013, 10:00 PM   #5
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Found some good info on the MOOG springs.

Front Spring Rate
180 - lbs per inch

Rear Spring Rate
188 - lbs per inch

And at $57 a pair, they carry a lifetime warranty. I think this may be the way to go..
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Unread 12-12-2013, 11:41 PM   #6
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The MOOG springs are going to be softer and handling will suffer as compared to the Up Country springs. What's wrong with your existing set? Have the sagged? Why not just remove the 2" spacers if you want to lower it down?
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Unread 12-13-2013, 12:18 AM   #7
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The MOOG Springs are specific to the overland models, so I am assuming they are upcountry spec springs. This is an assumption at this point, but there are standard and overland MOOG Springs. There may not be any sagging on my current set of springs, as I measure 20" from center of hub to fender with the 2" spacer. This would indicate that my isolators are also in good shape and have not collapsed, because I believed stock height is 18" from center hub to fender? Anyhow, I was hoping the MOOG springs would be stiffer in case the front and rear addco swaybars don't eliminate most of the body lean.
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The MOOG Springs are specific to the overland models, so I am assuming they are upcountry spec springs. This is an assumption at this point, but there are standard and overland MOOG Springs.
This leads one to believe that there are 1" taller than stock, "upcountry-like" springs by Moog. This is a new one to me and I am a bit skeptical......
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I know my stock '04 Overland does not have upcountry springs. I don't even think it was an option on the '04's.
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The MOOG Springs are specific to the overland models, so I am assuming they are upcountry spec springs.

What Moog part numbers are you showing?

Several auto stores online websites and rock auto are only showing one part number for front and rear springs from 1999-2004.

Every place I look pulls up 80974 for the front and 80871 for the rear. However, O'Reilly's website shows 80873 for the rear when equipped with 4WD, however spring bar diameter and spring rate is the same as the 80871's.
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I had regular springs on mine and recently upgraded to new isolators from Kolak, bilstein 4600s, and used upcountry springs that I got from the classifieds here. Springs apparently had about 70K miles on them from the previous owner. After having the setup for a month or so, I've gained almost exactly 1.5" of lift. Front is now at 19.25 and rear is at 19.75. The ride also firmed up a bit. In combination with the Addco rear sway bar, it's definitely much more capable on the roads.
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I initially looked up under the 2004 MY and did not find it on Rockauto. I then looked up the 2002 MY and found this info.

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Unread 12-17-2013, 01:08 PM   #14
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Here is some additiona info I got from Moog:

Front; Laredo; Limited; Sport; w/A/C
MOOG Part # 80974



Rear; Laredo; Limited; Sport
MOOG Part # 80871



Front; 4WD; Overland; w/A/C
MOOG Part # 80976



Rear; 4WD; AWD; Overland
MOOG Part # 80873

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Unread 12-17-2013, 01:32 PM   #15
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Hmmmmmm...... I just bought the bilstiens for my jeep and moog stablizer.. How would I know I need new springs. I have 160K on mine. Also I guess I need the isolators.. Where exactly do these go on the WJ? Im not all knowing on this.. Thank you for your help
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