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Unread 03-06-2014, 02:18 PM   #16
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I have 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited and just had a key cut. Unfortunately the Jeep won't stay on and the key light blinks. I didn't think the WJ I have has a transponder does it? Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJCLE59a8d8
How many keys do you have? If this is the third key, and is a transponder key, you can program it yourself, but if it's only a 2nd key, you will have to go to the dealer.
Edit: sorry, didn't mean to repeat what others have said, I should read the whole thread before posting.
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Unread 03-06-2014, 02:19 PM   #17
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Really? To buy the key AND have it coded? It's closer to $300 here.
Man, they are ripping you. It should be only a half hour labor and whatever the key costs.

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Unread 03-06-2014, 02:45 PM   #18
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Cheaper way to make keys work

Dealership wanted too much for the key and programing where I'm at. Eventually, I ended up getting a $2 replacement key non-chip. I took the steering housing off to get access to the ignition. I zipped tied the original Jeep key with the transponder to the ignition and put back the housing.

Now my $2 keys all work. I'm not kosher paying $300 for a set of keys.

Yes, I know this completely by-passes and eliminates the Sentry-Key feature. Being a 14 year old Overland with 178k miles , I won't completely cry if they steal it. Besides, if they want it bad enough, they'll get it regadless. I'm not in a high crime area anyways.

I read this in the JK forum a while back.
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Unread 03-06-2014, 03:57 PM   #19
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You can copy one key to another, this is called key cloning. No DRB or PIN code needed to clone, just one good working key. This is what most box stores do that offer transponder key sales. In fact this is the only way to make a working key without the need to access the car. Dealers wont clone keys, they are not equipped to clone keys.
The technology in that key is not RFid at that point. Yes it "clones" the RFid unique id, but its a completely different technology that "fools" the SKIM into thinking its an original key. I have never seen any box store using that technology, in fact, most wont go anywhere near a chipped key. They wont even cut them because they know if they screw it up, its not just a $0.50 key that can be easily replaced. I would even imagine that that technology is illegal in some states since it could be considered "hacking" or fraud. (Not necessarily in terms of vehicle keys, but in the other ways that technology can be used, ie. cloning credit cards)

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Not true. There are a few US owners of early 99 models on here with chip free keys. I did not believe them when they first said until they proved it! The keys even look slightly different. They usually post to say so on threads like this!

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I have never seen a true US model without SKIS. I have seen a few Canadian models which were re-sold in the US without SKIS, but never a true US model. Oh well, most of them do then I guess.
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Unread 03-06-2014, 05:12 PM   #20
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If it was different technology the key would not work. There is no fooling the key is a 100% clone. The days of old battery powered clone keys are gone if that's what you were thinking. I have seen Home Depot sell them. Not sure how you see this as "hacking" or fraud. You can not clone credit cards with a Zedbull Where are you getting this information?

How do you tell the difference between Canadian models and true US models?


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Unread 03-06-2014, 05:42 PM   #21
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Walmart does some key programming, they charge $60-$70 per key for the chipped ones, programming and all. They use a machine the reads the good key and insert the blank.
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Unread 03-06-2014, 05:49 PM   #22
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If it was different technology the key would not work. There is no fooling the key is a 100% clone. The days of old battery powered clone keys are gone if that's what you were thinking. I have seen Home Depot sell them. Not sure how you see this as "hacking" or fraud. You can not clone credit cards with a Zedbull Where are you getting this information?

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Sentry keys are different from from ford or toyota transponders who use one "master key". Not a single home depot or walmart or anyone else in MI or IN will touch a chipped key. If they say they can do it in your neck of the woods, then more power to them. Also, many credit cards do use RFids these days. Would they use the same machine that clones a key? No. But its the same technology and IS illegal.

Edit: And yes, different technologies CAN "fool" the SKIS. How do you think remote starters work?
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Unread 03-06-2014, 06:00 PM   #23
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The 2010+ Ford master key system has very little to do with the key, it's more about administrative privileges to things like radio volume. Are you telling me that companies like kaba-ilco are making and selling illegal devices? What states are they illegal? I'm a locksmith by trade and this is news to me. Please tell me more.


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Sentry keys are different from from ford or toyota transponders who use one "master key". Not a single home depot or walmart or anyone else in MI or IN will touch a chipped key. If they say they can do it in your neck of the woods, then more power to them. Also, many credit cards do use RFids these days. Would they use the same machine that clones a key? No. But its the same technology and IS illegal.

Edit: And yes, different technologies CAN "fool" the SKIS. How do you think remote starters work?
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Unread 03-06-2014, 06:02 PM   #24
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The 2010+ Ford master key system has very little to do with the key, it's more about administrative privileges to things like radio volume. Are you telling me that companies like kaba-ilco are making and selling illegal devices? What states are they illegal? I'm a locksmith by trade and this is news to me. Please tell me more.
Cloning credit cards is illegal in every state.

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Which has nothing to do with cloning keys.

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Cloning credit cards is illegal in every state.

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Which has nothing to do with cloning keys.
I never said it did. Here's the original statement again.

" I would even imagine that that technology is illegal in some states since it could be considered "hacking" or fraud. (Not necessarily in terms of vehicle keys, but in the other ways that technology can be used, ie. cloning credit cards)"

One more time, only the important part "(Not necessarily in terms of vehicle keys, but in the other ways that technology can be used, ie. cloning credit cards)"

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Unread 03-06-2014, 06:46 PM   #27
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You can copy one key to another, this is called key cloning. No DRB or PIN code needed to clone, just one good working key. This is what most box stores do that offer transponder key sales. In fact this is the only way to make a working key without the need to access the car. Dealers wont clone keys, they are not equipped to clone keys.
Absolutely right.The problem in this thread is the wording.You need two ORIGINAL or DEALER PROGRAMMED keys to make your own using the Jeep.Not just two WORKING keys.I have two working keys and couldnt understand why i couldnt make more keys that would start the jeep with them.Because one is an original and one is a clone of the original. Lots of threads on this.Good luck
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One more time, Which has nothing to do with cloning keys. Why even bring it up. Sorta of a circle jerk of irrelevant points.
Microwave oven technology totally illegal in some states when used as a death-ray

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I never said it did. Here's the original statement again.

" I would even imagine that that technology is illegal in some states since it could be considered "hacking" or fraud. (Not necessarily in terms of vehicle keys, but in the other ways that technology can be used, ie. cloning credit cards)"

One more time, only the important part "(Not necessarily in terms of vehicle keys, but in the other ways that technology can be used, ie. cloning credit cards)"

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Unread 03-06-2014, 07:25 PM   #29
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The problem with wording is the you can always bend and twist it to whatever you need. No you don't need ORIGINAL or DEALER PROGRAMMED keys to make your own using the Jeep. You just need two keys that have been enrolled in the Jeep separately. Who programmed them does not matter.


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Absolutely right.The problem in this thread is the wording.You need two ORIGINAL or DEALER PROGRAMMED keys to make your own using the Jeep.Not just two WORKING keys.I have two working keys and couldnt understand why i couldnt make more keys that would start the jeep with them.Because one is an original and one is a clone of the original. Lots of threads on this.Good luck
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Unread 03-14-2014, 09:16 AM   #30
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I just bought 2002 Grand Cherokee Laredo it only had one key. I called dealership it was $149 for a new key programmed.
Called locksmith it was $69.80 if I had the pin number.

Went to dealer , showed registration and ID was given the pin for free. Locksmith made key , works perfect now I am going to order a new fob.
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