[pinky2252s]

Im surprised vtech boy ( who I've argued with on multiple occasions ) hasn't said anything more.

But really this thread got destroyed. Its now useless.

[revortay1]

Originally Posted by pinky2252s

Im surprised vtech boy ( who I've argued with on multiple occasions ) hasn't said anything more.

But really this thread got destroyed. Its now useless.

I know :/ lets get back on subject lol

What exhaust should I get??

[pinky2252s]

Originally Posted by revortay1

I know :/ lets get back on subject lol

What exhaust should I get??

PM the member Kolak. He will set you up with the best prices you can get. Or you can start by getting a V-8's exhaust from a junkyard, it is 2.5 inch which is bigger than yours, and will have more flow. I think people connect the bigger exhaust after the cat. Also, getting a new muffler from an aftermarket store will make it louder. A CAI will also do the same, and give a little boost in torque.

[PhantomWJ]

Originally Posted by pinky2252s

PM the member Kolak. He will set you up with the best prices you can get. Or you can start by getting a V-8's exhaust from a junkyard, it is 2.5 inch which is bigger than yours, and will have more flow. I think people connect the bigger exhaust after the cat. Also, getting a new muffler from an aftermarket store will make it louder. A CAI will also do the same, and give a little boost in torque.

The CAT is replaced as well...with a hi-flow one, also 2.5" diameter....

GOOGLE it.

[revortay1]

Haha thanks guys! Didn't mean to sound like someone who doesn't know how to google! Basically want to know what direction to head in

[elcorvino]

PhantomWJ - I have / had no idea what these jeeps put to the wheels. I bought the 4.0 because it's reliable and gets decent mileage, not because it's a powerhouse. I have a show car / race car for that. I was just repeating numbers another member said... saying in terms HP lost r/t age and miles he would be back at factory numbers if he added those items.

[ziedel21]

i did a cam kit from 505 performance, header, k&n intake with cold air pipe, superchips tuner. on the performance tune with premeium gas, before the lift kit and tires, it dyno'd at 276hp/ 338 foot pounds of torque. no stroker. just a cam kit and a couple other bolt on's. you can get 700+hp out of an inline 6 motor.

[ziedel21]

oh and running mobile 1 with z-max i am still getting an average of 18 city/ and 26 freeway mpg.

[PhantomWJ]

Originally Posted by ziedel21

i did a cam kit from 505 performance, header, k&n intake with cold air pipe, superchips tuner. on the performance tune with premeium gas, before the lift kit and tires, it dyno'd at 276hp/ 338 foot pounds of torque. no stroker. just a cam kit and a couple other bolt on's. you can get 700+hp out of an inline 6 motor.

Oh, really. Id be surprised if the 4.5, 4.6 or even the 4.7 L stroker kits out there can get you those number. what he is talking about. Also, if that were remotely close why would there be a need for stroking it; we'd all get new cams and punch numbers equivalent to the 4.7L HO V8.

!TIHS LLUB


Oh, and that mileage....

[Sohcvtec1995]

Originally Posted by billzcat1

Yeah, like I've never owned a turbo car before. Or currently. Nope, totally clueless.

Fact - more power requires more fuel, all other things being equal.
Fact - turbo cars run with a richer mixture than NA to prevent detonation.

Compare any OEMs that offer turbo and NA versions of a vehicle and compare their mileage.
Example: VW Golf. 2.5L NA is 23city/33 highway. 2.0T is 21/31. Not a huge difference, but the point is that motor with 20% less displacement and a turbo gets 2 mpg worse. And without the super-high-compression and direct injection technology on that 2.0T it wouldn't even come close to the 2.5 (which is neither high compression nor direct injected). That's just one example but you'll find it repeated over and over and over. Add a turbo, make more power, and lose fuel economy. The exception to that rule would be diesel engines which operate at much leaner mixtures and throttle is regulated with fuel control only.

I guarantee none of the people on this forum are going to beat any OEM for mileage or durability concerns. I suppose that you could slap a turbo on, do NOTHING to the fuel system to richen the mixture, and you might see some economy gains. Right up until you crack every piston! Oh wait 4.0s have a hard enough time with that when they AREN'T turbo.

your comparing a larger displacement motor that brings more air into the motor to gain its economy. displacement has nothing to do with economy, the tune dose. By your theory the 4.7 that gets the same mpg as the 3.7 and the 5.7 means that a v8 is dumb as well and falls under the same vw example you gave.

But i do see that you do know something about things, and understand how it works. But one thing you forgot to mention is that if you have more power to get going then it takes less fuel to do so. Hence why gears are done on rigs, you gear it right you can get back to oem mpg, if not better. but if you put 44's on 3.55 gearing then you cant complain. and lean burn will melt a piston, if you do it wrong. i never said slap a turbo on it crank it to 15psi and hang on.

Originally Posted by marcall

yeah because a Jeep needs a turbo like a camero needs a transfer case right. Why anybody would even consider putting a turbo on an inline 6 WJ is beyond me. maybe I'm just dumb but it's like fitting roller skates on a Elephant......makes about as much sense.

Lets see now a a in line 6 is a great motor to turbo because of the tq, the cummins is a inline 6, a skyline is a in line 6, a supra is a in line 6. But in lines are dumb to turbo.

Originally Posted by MuddyWJ

Don't you want the torque of a Jeep in lower RPMs. I wouldnt make such a bold statement of ignorance makes up this forum because If that was the case nobody would be on it. Just food for thought.

This is true, turbo sizing comes into play, you put a huge turbo on something then you will have no low end. Sticking with the vw example, they use very small turbos to have the low end power to get going in the city.but once about 4k hits you run outta steam.

Originally Posted by elcorvino

You guys are arguing with someone named Vtec. I've learned to never argue with someone from the import world because their 1990 civic can tow a house, run 8's on the streets, and is a reliable DD that gets 40 mpg.

The cost of custom fabricating a turbo for their jeep, building their motor and tranny as well as the countless hours spent tuning it (since this isn't something you can just buy a chip for), don't forget the rear end and all the other suspension components since it would likely be lowered....

A realistic number to not have a complete and total POS set up running properly would be 10K - 15K. Pair that with the original cost of the jeep and he should have just bought an 06 SRT jeep with 70K miles on it.

When you try and do stuff like that on the cheap or "home brew" you end up with a never ending money pit and realistically if you had that kinda money you would have never brought up fuel economy.

i guess you know nothing about turbo setups and the cost. A turbo will add roughly 150lbs to a motor if that. the cost is about 3-4k. The manifold and turbo being the most expensive of the build. And tuning is not countless hours. I have worked at performance shops here in Orlando, with dynos, and to do a baseline tune to where your a/f is good takes roughly an hour depending on the software you use. People on here are always and i mean always saying modifying a jeep is not cheap, so saying that it cost to much to do something is irrelevant.

And so what if my name has vtec in it? would you rather me be a poser boy and have omgwjjeepisthebest instead. A user name is just that... a user name, it dose not mean anything to what the person behind the name knows and doesn't know. Im not talking out of my *** like most people on here do cause one person that has a build thread, or 3000 post says something.

Originally Posted by pinky2252s

Im surprised vtech boy ( who I've argued with on multiple occasions ) hasn't said anything more.

But really this thread got destroyed. Its now useless.

Im sorry i have a Life over the weekend, and dont spend countless hours monitoring a thread i knew fan boys would attack me on.

[Sohcvtec1995]

Im sure that someone will call me a troll, or say im just trolling. Been called that a million times on here cause im not following the Jeep forum bible to answers.
1. more power means v8
2. any lift needs long arms
3. Your doing it wrong

[pinky2252s]

Originally Posted by Sohcvtec1995

your comparing a larger displacement motor that brings more air into the motor to gain its economy. displacement has nothing to do with economy, the tune dose. By your theory the 4.7 that gets the same mpg as the 3.7 and the 5.7 means that a v8 is dumb as well and falls under the same vw example you gave.

But i do see that you do know something about things, and understand how it works. But one thing you forgot to mention is that if you have more power to get going then it takes less fuel to do so. Hence why gears are done on rigs, you gear it right you can get back to oem mpg, if not better. but if you put 44's on 3.55 gearing then you cant complain. and lean burn will melt a piston, if you do it wrong. i never said slap a turbo on it crank it to 15psi and hang on.



Lets see now a a in line 6 is a great motor to turbo because of the tq, the cummins is a inline 6, a skyline is a in line 6, a supra is a in line 6. But in lines are dumb to turbo.


This is true, turbo sizing comes into play, you put a huge turbo on something then you will have no low end. Sticking with the vw example, they use very small turbos to have the low end power to get going in the city.but once about 4k hits you run outta steam.


i guess you know nothing about turbo setups and the cost. A turbo will add roughly 150lbs to a motor if that. the cost is about 3-4k. The manifold and turbo being the most expensive of the build. And tuning is not countless hours. I have worked at performance shops here in Orlando, with dynos, and to do a baseline tune to where your a/f is good takes roughly an hour depending on the software you use. People on here are always and i mean always saying modifying a jeep is not cheap, so saying that it cost to much to do something is irrelevant.

And so what if my name has vtec in it? would you rather me be a poser boy and have omgwjjeepisthebest instead. A user name is just that... a user name, it dose not mean anything to what the person behind the name knows and doesn't know. Im not talking out of my *** like most people on here do cause one person that has a build thread, or 3000 post says something.



Im sorry i have a Life over the weekend, and dont spend countless hours monitoring a thread i knew fan boys would attack me on.

Hes not going to turbo his Jeep so lets stop talking about it.

[Sohcvtec1995]

Oh i didn't know you were his voice, he asked for suggestions, i gave one. Sorry it didn't meet your requirements. Oh wait thats right its not your thread. You members put him off on a idea cause its not by the book.

Here let me jump on the bandwagon then
OP Put a 454 in it thats the only way to do it.

[pinky2252s]

Originally Posted by Sohcvtec1995

Oh i didn't know you were his voice, he asked for suggestions, i gave one. Sorry it didn't meet your requirements. Oh wait thats right its not your thread. You members put him off on a idea cause its not by the book.

Here let me jump on the bandwagon then
OP Put a 454 in it thats the only way to do it.

Did you read the thread? He's not going to turbo it. If he was going to turbo it, and put 4 grand in it, I don't think he would worry about gas mileage.

Drop your ego, and your attitude.

[Sohcvtec1995]

ego and attitude? so i get jumped on cause of a suggestion, and a username and i have a ego? and what attitude? You guys made that choice for him, and then im sure someone will say that its his jeep and he should do what he wants to.