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post #1 of 22 Old 06-21-2011, 04:12 AM Thread Starter
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Wj Key can be removed without turning ignition off!

Discovered yesterday that I can remove the key (from my 2004 Grand CHerokee CRD) without turning it off (ie leaving it in the on and running position). This means I can remove the key and leave the engine running!! The engine turns off no prob if I turn the key. Cant see it ever really being a problem as Im unlikely to walk away and not notice the engine is running but what is the prob and it there an easy fix? If its a new ignition switch then I prob wont bother. Key is fairly worn so might just be that I guess. Have not tried spare key yet.

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post #2 of 22 Old 06-21-2011, 05:15 AM
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I wish mine would do that! It is probably a worn key; try the spare key and report back
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post #3 of 22 Old 06-21-2011, 06:17 AM
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All my keys do that (198k miles) and love it. If you leave some one in the car or need to run to get something or even to just warm it up in the cold winter. You can just lock all the doors
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I wish mine did that. I had an F250 that would do it. It was awesome! How does your engine run still without the computer chipped key near by. Does it only check upon start to see that it's the correct key then doesn't check any more?
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"How does your engine run still without the computer chipped key near by. Does it only check upon start to see that it's the correct key then doesn't check any more? "

Correct. The ECU only checks the chip at start up which takes a sec or two. Thats why you can start the car with a duff/missing chip but it will only run for 2 or three seconds until it realises the problem.
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"How does your engine run still without the computer chipped key near by. Does it only check upon start to see that it's the correct key then doesn't check any more? "

Correct. The ECU only checks the chip at start up which takes a sec or two. Thats why you can start the car with a duff/missing chip but it will only run for 2 or three seconds until it realises the problem.
I don't get who's keys are chipped and who's aren't... all of my keys are lowes hardware copies. Is it just certain packages that do it?

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I don't get who's keys are chipped and who's aren't... all of my keys are lowes hardware copies. Is it just certain packages that do it?

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I think it depends on the year, the cheapest second key I can find for my 04 is $70, I'm betting your 99 is different.

I also noticed the other day it was apparent my key would come out if I wanted it to...I stuck it back down in there quick as I was worried about the chip too. Now I won't have to I guess. Reminded me of my first Jeep many years ago, which was a 72 model, the key would come right out of it also. Of course chips weren't even thought of then.
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$70 seems kinda high for a key unless that's dealer price.

I only had one key when I bought mine. To avoid losing keys and having to buy more every time one went missing, I decided to order 3 more keys and 2 key fobs. Order them off the internet somewhere and had the dealer program them. Not sure where I bought them from. I am also not sure if I can put up a website but if you google jeep transponder key, you will find some websites with really good prices. Dealer did all 5 of my devices for $50. I figured, might as well do it all at once for $50 rather than one key at a time for $50 each time.
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... Cant see it ever really being a problem as Im unlikely to walk away and not notice the engine is running but what is the prob and it there an easy fix? ...
It's a worn key. This could be a problem if you remove the key in the "Acc" position without noticing this. It's very easy. Happened to me several times before I understood that the key coulb be removed in any position.
The result was that in 2 days the battery was drained. Luckily I had another car nearby, so I could jump start the engine.
If this happens in the wrong place at the wrong time, one might be in trouble ...

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Thanks for the advice about leaving it in ACC position. Never even noticed the ACC position is backwards from from the OFF/LOCK position. Strange..on most cars its the first position clockwise. Will watch out for that.

My spare key is nowhere near as worn as my main key ...but still pulls out...so might be wear in the lock itself.
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... Strange..on most cars its the first position clockwise. ...
That's why it took me a while to understand what the reason for the mysterious battery drain was.

With the key in the ACC position we measured 1.5 - 1.6A.
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$70 seems kinda high for a key unless that's dealer price.

I only had one key when I bought mine. To avoid losing keys and having to buy more every time one went missing, I decided to order 3 more keys and 2 key fobs. Order them off the internet somewhere and had the dealer program them. Not sure where I bought them from. I am also not sure if I can put up a website but if you google jeep transponder key, you will find some websites with really good prices. Dealer did all 5 of my devices for $50. I figured, might as well do it all at once for $50 rather than one key at a time for $50 each time.
I will check that out, thanks! Been putting it off due to expense.
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It's a worn key. This could be a problem if you remove the key in the "Acc" position without noticing this. It's very easy. Happened to me several times before I understood that the key can be removed in any position.
The result was that in 2 days the battery was drained. Luckily I had another car nearby, so I could jump start the engine.
If this happens in the wrong place in the wrong time, one might be in trouble ...
I can't tell you how many times I would come out after my gf drove the jeep and found it dead. Took me about 10 times of having to jump it off to figure out it was this!

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I think it depends on the year, the cheapest second key I can find for my 04 is $70, I'm betting your 99 is different.

I also noticed the other day it was apparent my key would come out if I wanted it to...I stuck it back down in there quick as I was worried about the chip too. Now I won't have to I guess. Reminded me of my first Jeep many years ago, which was a 72 model, the key would come right out of it also. Of course chips weren't even thought of then.

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Thanks for the advice about leaving it in ACC position. Never even noticed the ACC position is backwards from from the OFF/LOCK position. Strange..on most cars its the first position clockwise. Will watch out for that.

My spare key is nowhere near as worn as my main key ...but still pulls out...so might be wear in the lock itself.
my eclipse is the first of 7 cars i've owned that had the acc position FORWARD. all others was back from the off position. heck, only car i've ever driven that was that way.

'97 zj 5.2, some stuff, some other suff, and some things that even work sometimes.

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