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Unread 12-12-2013, 03:37 AM   #1
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Wj European Fog Lights..

Many of you post for upgrading the rear lenses for LEDs I to chose to go down this path.. and then discovered that there wasn't a fitment for the factory rear fog light!! It doesn't leave much to the imagination I'm afraid as there isn't enough plastic behind the lens to drill out a hole for the bulb. So the next plan was to remove the reflectors on the bumper (what are they therefore anyway?? ) so I trawled around for a bit to come up with something that wasn't going to look out of place, create humongous holes in the bumper and look ridiculous (mind you some nice RED 6" spots facing rearward for all them fog light brigade may suffice..I digress)

So on fitting the rear lenses, I left the foglight wire hanging until I found something suitable then, removed the bumper skin and masked off where I wanted the LED fogs to be. There honestly wasn't much in it, drilled out the corners then used a 1mm cutting disc and gently worked my way along connecting the corner holes. New looms were made up and soldered/sheathed and connected to both the lights and the factory loom. and ..well, see for yourself...I think they look pretty damn factory if you ask me...

http://www.towingandtrailers.com/tra...omet-1825.html


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Unread 12-12-2013, 12:04 PM   #2
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Many of you post for upgrading the rear lenses for LEDs I to chose to go down this path.. and then discovered that there wasn't a fitment for the factory rear fog light!! It doesn't leave much to the imagination I'm afraid as there isn't enough plastic behind the lens to drill out a hole for the bulb. So the next plan was to remove the reflectors on the bumper (what are they therefore anyway?? ) so I trawled around for a bit to come up with something that wasn't going to look out of place, create humongous holes in the bumper and look ridiculous (mind you some nice RED 6" spots facing rearward for all them fog light brigade may suffice..I digress)

So on fitting the rear lenses, I left the foglight wire hanging until I found something suitable then, removed the bumper skin and masked off where I wanted the LED fogs to be. There honestly wasn't much in it, drilled out the corners then used a 1mm cutting disc and gently worked my way along connecting the corner holes. New looms were made up and soldered/sheathed and connected to both the lights and the factory loom. and ..well, see for yourself...I think they look pretty damn factory if you ask me...

http://www.towingandtrailers.com/tra...omet-1825.html


http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1c2211e5.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/...psa7946c30.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9b3d7457.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1c2211e5.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9a91e995.jpg

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/...ps01f33889.jpg
very nice setup, i was looking for a european bumper to try something similar, back before i started going really crazy with my jeep, but those things are very hard to come by, or very expensive shipping!
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Unread 12-12-2013, 03:42 PM   #3
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You need rear reflectors fitted for the MOT

Couple of stick on ones would do.

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Unread 12-12-2013, 05:11 PM   #4
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Looks factory to me. Good job.
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Unread 12-13-2013, 01:29 AM   #5
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You need rear reflectors fitted for the MOT

Couple of stick on ones would do.

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Nope, sorry.. you don't. As my vehicle needed fogs to pass the MOT and guess what it sailed it... so beg to differ.
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Nope, sorry.. you don't. As my vehicle needed fogs to pass the MOT and guess what it sailed it... so beg to differ.
You are wrong my friend. Two reflectors are a legal requirement to use any car on the road and required for MOT. See this from MOT guide.

You are right that you need rear (but not front) fogs...well you only NEED one.... and they are now actually tested for function which they were not til last year. But they are as well as reflectors not instead of.

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_150.htm

If your MOT guy passed such an obvious fail lets hope he checked the brakes a bit better!!

Looks good though!!

I think thats the first time ive ever seen a photo of your Jeep on here......get a few more up!
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Unread 12-13-2013, 03:03 AM   #7
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No I'm right mate, I am a MOT tester.

I like them though.

The offside rear foglight is a requirement and has always been tested.

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Unread 12-13-2013, 03:13 AM   #8
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No I'm right mate, I am a MOT tester.

If you wire in a switch so you can turn them off then they might pass.

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.....but they might not....they are lights not reflectors. If they have that reflector type surface set into them (like a lot of cars & motorcycles have to avoid having a separate reflectors) then they might pass. If not , like you said, two stick on reflectors ....job done. Ex MOT tester for Audi VW main dealer!!!....OK OK you still are a tester so that gives you the edge!!
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I haven't tested for a couple of years as I am currently a full time carer for my wife, so a little rusty, but tested for around 20 years full time, Independent.

My thinking about the switch is that there is no particular test of the reflector, you don't shine a light into it or anything, so most testers would just assume it's a reflector.

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One for the arm chair MOT testers..wanna tell me what it is you see on the bottom of the offside lamp.. have a close look. My Rears are the same as these.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/99-04-JEEP...item19e642d93f
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Nope, sorry.. you don't. As my vehicle needed fogs to pass the MOT and guess what it sailed it... so beg to differ.
Looks like you had reflectors after all, so you did need them

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