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Unread 12-07-2010, 04:09 PM   #1
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ARB Air Lockers VS. Detroit Lockers?

I don't know much about cars but i kept hearing a lot of positive talk about lockers do i did a bit of research. I think i'd be a good idea to invest in locking differential along with a 4" lift and 33" tyres. Im already ripping my pockets apart trying to put together money for the lift/tyres/rims, but i want lockers too! so i guess i'll have to wait to get all that becuase i'd like to get lockers with that stuff all at once.
anywho, I'd like info/opinions of people who have lockers on which would be best to get and why.
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Unread 12-07-2010, 04:29 PM   #2
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Personally, I would go with the Detroits. Less hassle and you know they'll always be locked. Not to mention they are cheaper.

I haven't been a fan of the ARBs ever since a buddy of mine had some in the f/r of his XJ. They took forever to lock up and were unreliable. He probably rebuilt them 2 or 3 times when he had the Jeep.
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I run an Aussie (auto locker) in the rear and an OX (selectable) in the front, I love them both
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Unread 12-07-2010, 04:45 PM   #4
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If you have a rear dana 44a there is no arb air locker made for it, as far as I know?
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If you have a rear dana 44a there is no arb air locker made for it, as far as I know?
True only Aussie and Spartan lockers for the 44hd (44a)
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If you do alot of city driving the ARB is the way to go if you can.100% invisible on the street until you want them locked.No need to adjust your driving style.Granted the Detroit is a very good auto locker also.

I have had a ARB for 5 years now and never had a issue,always worked when I pushed the button,from -30 degrees to over 100 degrees temps.The ARB's install is key,a good install makes for problem free operation.
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i've had a couple aussies in a couple jeeps, after switching to an e-locker in my current axle i'll never go back to an auto locker. so much nicer when you're in tight situations.
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i've had a couple aussies in a couple jeeps, after switching to an e-locker in my current axle i'll never go back to an auto locker. so much nicer when you're in tight situations.
I would trade my left nut for an eLocker in the D44A.
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I love my ARBs, I have them in both the front and rear axles. The Dana 30 in the front and Dana 44 in the rear. Never had a an issue with them not locking when I needed them. I have had the 30 for over a year and the 44 since I did the axle swap last summer to the iron D44.

I have had auto lockers like the Aussie in the rear and they are un predictable. They will unlock when you do not want them to and lock when you want them open. They also cause some degree of torque steer, that is it will pull one direction under acceleration and the other on coast. Also on ice or packed snow they are very dangerous to an unexperienced dirver.
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since you say you don't know much about the subject, use your rig a little 1st before you drop coin on something you might not even need. also, unless you can set-up gears yourself the labor is gonna be a few hundred dollars to install either of those lockers (unless u want the Detroit EZ locker which I would not recommend) more for the ARB since you have air lines and a switch, and don't forget the compressor that's needed with it. I see too many well built rigs running fire roads and bypassing anything that requires some skill driving, learn how to drive and pick lines, invest in recovery equipment and skids
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Question for you: Does your rig have SelecTrac, QuadraTracII or QuadraDrive?

This can force the issue and make you choose a particular route. I agree with most...you probably don't need them, at least not right now. Learn how to wheel first and then decide if you need more.
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Question for you: Does your rig have SelecTrac, QuadraTracII or QuadraDrive?

This can force the issue and make you choose a particular route. I agree with most...you probably don't need them, at least not right now. Learn how to wheel first and then decide if you need more.
Quadradrive II. I will get them later on, not now. But its good info to know what you're getting into and do research on it before hand in my opinion, plus i don't know much about cars overall so its just good learning.

anywho, I found you can also get part-time lockers that can be turned on and off? would this setup work on the WJ?
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Quadradrive II. I will get them later on, not now. But its good info to know what you're getting into and do research on it before hand in my opinion, plus i don't know much about cars overall so its just good learning.

anywho, I found you can also get part-time lockers that can be turned on and off? would this setup work on the WJ?
Those lockers you are talking about are called selectable lockers. Thats what ARB, OX, and Aburn are. Yes they can be used in WJ's but not on the rear 44hd. only 2 automatic (lunchbox) lockers will work for that rear axle.
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Quadradrive II. I will get them later on, not now. But its good info to know what you're getting into and do research on it before hand in my opinion, plus i don't know much about cars overall so its just good learning.

anywho, I found you can also get part-time lockers that can be turned on and off? would this setup work on the WJ?
Ok...well QuadraDrive II wasn't released until the WK came out. You either have QuadraTrac II or QuadraDrive.

If you have QuadraTrac II, then you can use any number of lockers in the front end but there are only two options for the rear end. Up front I would really recommend a selectable locker or a limited slip to maintain street civility. Thankfully we have a very common Dana 30 front axle so there are lots of options available. Out back is another story. You only have two options, both automatic/full-time lockers. The Spartan and the Aussie. They work basically the same but the Spartan is cheaper.

If you have QuadraDrive, then you don't have many options at all. You can't install lockers into QuadraDrive axles without replacing the axle shafts and the axle carrier and re-setting the gear lash. Basically you need to start out with open differentials in order to make it work. But luckily, QD is a very good system and I doubt you will get hardcore enough that you NEED lockers over QuadraDrive.
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Ok...well QuadraDrive II wasn't released until the WK came out. You either have QuadraTrac II or QuadraDrive.

If you have QuadraTrac II, then you can use any number of lockers in the front end but there are only two options for the rear end. Up front I would really recommend a selectable locker or a limited slip to maintain street civility. Thankfully we have a very common Dana 30 front axle so there are lots of options available. Out back is another story. You only have two options, both automatic/full-time lockers. The Spartan and the Aussie. They work basically the same but the Spartan is cheaper.

If you have QuadraDrive, then you don't have many options at all. You can't install lockers into QuadraDrive axles without replacing the axle shafts and the axle carrier and re-setting the gear lash. Basically you need to start out with open differentials in order to make it work. But luckily, QD is a very good system and I doubt you will get hardcore enough that you NEED lockers over QuadraDrive.
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