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Unread 12-09-2013, 07:50 PM   #16
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Poster wanted to get rid of the soot burner. Diesels put out very fine particulate matter which causes cancer. Not sure what the article from Reuters has do with anything.

You do know in the EU with stricter emission regs coming that the prediction is that there will be a movement away from diesels to petrol engines to meet the new standards. Also dont forget diesel is subsidized in the EU. Diesels will have a tough time meeting the new standards.

Diesel has its place in HD pick ups. You never get back the cost difference between a diesel 2014 GC Limited and a 3.6L V6 2014 GC Limited in 10 years. Might be closer with the V8.

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Unread 12-09-2013, 09:52 PM   #17
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Dave - so do the GDI gas engines burn dirtier in order to make them more like diesels in order to make them more fuel efficient (but still can't beat a diesel). That's the pot calling the kettle black (soot I mean). Oh - and only makes sense in HD pickups. Interesting Ram 1500 (not an HD) truck that gets 2x the mileage than all v8s in their comparisons and easily kills the v6.

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When all was said and done, the EcoDiesel returned an observed 15 mpg at the test track, while the GM V-8s and the lone Toyota 1/2-ton V-8 were all in the single digits. The Sierra V-6 managed only 10 mpg. The Real MPG testing confirmed our findings, with the Ram towering over its 1/2-ton competition by at least 8 mpg city, 7 hwy. If you still doubt the advantages of the diesel engine, this might be more a spiritual than intellectual quandary.
http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/...k_of_the_year/

Then again gas is subsidized in the US as there are higher taxes are on diesel fuel from Fed all the way to municipal levels. Plug in hybrids get a sizeable tax credits and none for diesels. Gas refineries get blender credits and other subsidies (none for diesel).

The age old AntiDieselDave argument that only the mpg difference counts in breakeven from difference in purchase price and he uses the EPA ratings (well those of us who understand the real world) know that EPA ratings are not all that accurate. So let's realize that EPA ratings for almost all gas powered cars are higher than real world whereas on the flip side, the EPA ratings for diesels are normally lower than real world. So that makes breakeven closer in mileage and time.

Then there is the RESALE VALUE of a diesel powered vehicles (which I've posted a study from UM Transpo Institute arguing this same point against AntiDieselDave) is almost always higher than the gas version of the same vehicle thus you get more when you sell it late and recoup that cost. But, But, But what if they don't sell it? What if they want to keep it until they die? Well then the breakeven is normally 3-4 years from the difference of course depending on the vehicle and trim levels and profit gouging of the OEM. In this case the Hemi is $1,300 to $2k less than the Ecodiesel depending on options / build). Comparing this to the Pentastar doesn't make sense as we are optioning up for more power and torque.

And I'll beat you to your next argument about failing injectors or the glow plugs as you have no evidence that this is a major occurrence.
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Unread 12-09-2013, 09:58 PM   #18
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Poster wanted to get rid of the soot burner. Diesels put out very fine particulate matter which causes cancer. Not sure what the article from Reuters has do with anything.

You do know in the EU with stricter emission regs coming that the prediction is that there will be a movement away from diesels to petrol engines to meet the new standards. Also dont forget diesel is subsidized in the EU. Diesels will have a tough time meeting the new standards.

Diesel has its place in HD pick ups. You never get back the cost difference between a diesel 2014 GC Limited and a 3.6L V6 2014 GC Limited in 10 years. Might be closer with the V8.
You will get back most of or all of the cost difference when you go to trade in or sell your GC Diesel. I just traded in my 2005 Excursion Diesel on my new GC Diesel and it was worth $4ooo more than if it had been a gaser, about the same difference as when I bought it. One of the things I miss most about that modified Excursion is being able to "roll coal" and really piss off people like Dave. BTW I bet Dave believes in global warming, algore, and the tooth fairy.
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Unread 12-10-2013, 08:38 AM   #19
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You will get back most of or all of the cost difference when you go to trade in or sell your GC Diesel.

That depends, as diesels are a small specialty market in the US. When you find the right buyer, they are conditioned to expect to pay more. In other words, it takes longer to sell a diesel these days, even in a PU truck. Then you can't give away a diesel that developed long term reliability issues as they are just too expensive to keep fixing.

If you like diesels and need one, buy one. Any economic justification is just rationalizing your decision, doesn't make that much of a difference long term. You can certain pick and choose whatever you want to make you feel you've done the right thing.

In the US lots of folks use fuel oil to heat homes (and utilities use it to generate electricity) and fuel oil comes out the same refinery tap as Diesel fuel. That has more economic influence (supply/demand) than any perceived tax advantage.

This tuning thread is getting a little off topic, arguments about the merits of diesel engines should be in another thread.
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Unread 12-10-2013, 09:09 AM   #20
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I am about to take delivery of my 2014 WK2 diesel and was wondering if someone has any suggestion/ experience with any after market tuning options (via chip tuning or so).
Get a hold of green diesel engineering as they are a known tuner here in the US. They do not have a tune for the WK2 yet but are most likely to do so. I would not trust the plug in tuners such as Diablo, Bully Dog, etc. on these engines as those tuners go the cheap route and do the tricks to get more power but often at the reliability of the engine. Whereas GDE spends a lot of time and effort custom tuning it for the application and leaving a much better safety threshold to minimize abuse. GDE is active here on JF in the WK and Liberty for the CRDs.
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Unread 12-10-2013, 09:30 AM   #21
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You will get back most of or all of the cost difference when you go to trade in or sell your GC Diesel. I just traded in my 2005 Excursion Diesel on my new GC Diesel and it was worth $4ooo more than if it had been a gaser, about the same difference as when I bought it. One of the things I miss most about that modified Excursion is being able to "roll coal" and really piss off people like Dave. BTW I bet Dave believes in global warming, algore, and the tooth fairy.
If I have to meet emission regs with yearly tests for my petrol engine then sorry so should diesels. Simple. Problem is stupid f*cks like you ruin things for everyone when they roll coal. Yearly emission tests should be a requirement nationwide for both diesel and petrol engines.

With todays technology we should be able to have both hp and torque and a clean environment.

My only problem with Greens is there are billions of Chinese and Indians polluting to the max and I dont want to lower my standard of living to pollute less when it wont do anything for the environment.

Yeah rolling coal helps promote diesel as green alternative. Moron!
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Unread 12-10-2013, 01:38 PM   #22
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Their tune may cause problems with US CRD and emissions.

Nice that we have posters who want to throw more soot out so the rest of us get cancer etc.

...so says the guy running a car from the 70's
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Unread 12-10-2013, 01:53 PM   #23
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So if the argument is that gas direct injection makes more particulate emmissions, is that 2002ti actually dirtier, the same or cleaner than the modern engines? hmmm.....
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If I have to meet emission regs with yearly tests for my petrol engine then sorry so should diesels. Simple. Problem is stupid f*cks like you ruin things for everyone when they roll coal. Yearly emission tests should be a requirement nationwide for both diesel and petrol engines.

With todays technology we should be able to have both hp and torque and a clean environment.

My only problem with Greens is there are billions of Chinese and Indians polluting to the max and I dont want to lower my standard of living to pollute less when it wont do anything for the environment.

Yeah rolling coal helps promote diesel as green alternative. Moron!
Yeah Dave what we really need is more government intrusion and regulation in our lives in the form of national emission testing requirements. The government is oh so good at fixing everything. I thankfully do not live in a nanny state that requires any emmision tests.
And no I am not rolling coal to promote diesel as a silly green alternative but rather to have fun and piss off all of the greenie wienies.
BTW most greenies and environmentalists are hypocrites as stated in the two posts above this one
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Unread 12-10-2013, 02:41 PM   #25
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So if the argument is that gas direct injection makes more particulate emmissions, is that 2002ti actually dirtier, the same or cleaner than the modern engines? hmmm.....

Your new Turbodiesel with DEF and even my 08 CRD are both cleaner than that POS Bimmer. You could eat off the tailpipe of my CRD... not a trace of soot. My 98 Wrangler OTH... nice little ring around it.
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Unread 12-30-2013, 08:05 AM   #26
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Hi any one tested any chips on their new 14 Ecodiesel?
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Unread 12-30-2013, 11:50 AM   #27
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Unread 12-30-2013, 11:52 AM   #28
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The EPA is the fly in the ointment these days with regards to tuners providing tunes/equipment for DPF/EGR/Urea delete. Then comes the issue around here with annual inspections. My ram is only subject to a "safety inspection", so about 100 pounds of "green equipment" sits in my garage!

I'm gonna leave the GC bone stock!
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Unread 12-30-2013, 11:58 AM   #29
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And no I am not rolling coal to promote diesel as a silly green alternative but rather to have fun and piss off all of the greenie wienies.
BTW most greenies and environmentalists are hypocrites as stated in the two posts above this one
While I would agree virtually any more government regulation is often the beginning of the end, I have to say the overwhelming consensus on the Cummins Forum regarding "rolling coal" is that practice is what keeps the diesels under scrutiny.

My 6.7 is tuned to run very clean, and it doesn't smoke, even with all the emissions crap removed.

Again, I'm not breaking balls with regards to rolling coal, however I do feel it doesn't help the diesel cause, if you will.
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Unread 12-30-2013, 01:11 PM   #30
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If BioDiesel were more prevalant in my area (and at a decent cost), I would definitely consider the diesel for my next truck or GC. BioDiesel stands a better chance than any other alternative fuels I've seen. And so it's somewhat on topic, lol, do you need a tuner to run that? I know very little about running a diesel, they're pretty much a curiosity for myself at this point. I thought about a WK diesel, but my wife wanted the WK2.
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