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Unread 03-23-2013, 06:25 PM   #16
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The transaxle in the Pathfinder and the Explorer is not as durable as the transmission and transaxle in the Grand Cherokee. You are asking a transaxle to do too many things at low price point off road. On a paved road and on a lawn the Explorer and Pathfinder are okay. Also the fwd platform of the Explorer and pathfinder provide you with a totally different feel and vehicle dynamics than the GC's traditional RWD platform. If you like a lot of push and ponderous front end go FWD platform with Nissan, Ford, VW/Audi etc. If you want a more traditional RWD feel in a tossable package go with the GC.
Ok listen very carefully, there is a transaxle, and then there is a ptu, they are completely different things, just like a transmission and a transfer case.

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Unread 03-23-2013, 06:53 PM   #17
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I agree that a hitch mounted carrier is the way to go. The Yakima 4-bike carrier has worked well for me and the family.

The Explorer is nice, but it's a fairly long vehicle like the GMC Acadia. Unless you really need the 3rd row it may feel like driving a bus.

As for the Nissan; they are fugly, but that is my opinion and I do not like Asian designs: their architecture and auto styling is not for me. I prefer North American and European.
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Unread 03-23-2013, 09:15 PM   #18
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The transaxle in the Pathfinder and the Explorer is not as durable as the transmission and transaxle in the Grand Cherokee. You are asking a transaxle to do too many things at low price point off road. On a paved road and on a lawn the Explorer and Pathfinder are okay. Also the fwd platform of the Explorer and pathfinder provide you with a totally different feel and vehicle dynamics than the GC's traditional RWD platform. If you like a lot of push and ponderous front end go FWD platform with Nissan, Ford, VW/Audi etc. If you want a more traditional RWD feel in a tossable package go with the GC.
The Explorer does pretty darn well off road.

It's all a matter of how far off road you want to go.

The Pathfinder still tows 5000 pounds. It still goes on dirt roads, goes through snow, etc. It also gets damn good mpg with 3 rows of seating.

Explorer too is a strong contender that has blown away Durango in sales.

It all comes down to priorities. I bought the GC because I wanted a truck like ride, and the ability to go through anything. The next vehicle we buy for our family will be still capable, but more fuel efficient, so trips to go kayaking and skiing and the like cost less. Half the time now it costs as much or more to get to whatever activity I want to do than to actually do it.
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Unread 03-24-2013, 06:23 AM   #19
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Ok listen very carefully, there is a transaxle, and then there is a ptu, they are completely different things, just like a transmission and a transfer case.
You need to read and learn. Or better yet go work on race cars. A transaxle just isnt as durable amongst other things at the price point we are talking about. What kind of racing to love ? JRTs?
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Unread 03-24-2013, 07:49 AM   #20
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Ok listen very carefully, there is a transaxle, and then there is a ptu, they are completely different things, just like a transmission and a transfer case.
A PTU powers auxiliary equipment, most tractors have the feature. The capability could be built into a transaxle or transmission or transfer case depending on the whim of the engineer. I'm not sure if I ever seen a separate PTU but I suppose it could be done... similar to a bolt on OD unit.

A transaxle is a transaxle whether to provides FWD or AWD. It may or may not have a PTU feature built in.
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Unread 03-24-2013, 08:06 AM   #21
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Unread 03-24-2013, 09:30 AM   #22
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A PTU powers auxiliary equipment, most tractors have the feature. The capability could be built into a transaxle or transmission or transfer case depending on the whim of the engineer. I'm not sure if I ever seen a separate PTU but I suppose it could be done... similar to a bolt on OD unit.

A transaxle is a transaxle whether to provides FWD or AWD. It may or may not have a PTU feature built in.
Every GM and every Chrysler suv and some cars have a separate ptu that bolts to the trans axle to send power to the rear wheels. I am not as sure about ford's but I know at least the escape has one. Crawl under any one of those vehicles and you will see one bolted on to the passenger side output of the trans axle with about 4 to 5 bolts. I test the stupid things for a living so I'm decently sure I know they exist.
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Unread 03-24-2013, 09:39 AM   #23
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A crappy quality picture but this is gm's theta epsilon program's and system. The trans axle is missing from the picture but it shows the ptu that mounts to the trans axle. Ptu in this sense is power transfer unit.

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Unread 03-24-2013, 02:20 PM   #24
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A crappy quality picture but this is gm's theta epsilon program's and system. The trans axle is missing from the picture but it shows the ptu that mounts to the trans axle. Ptu in this sense is power transfer unit.

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This is not the first rodeo for most of us here. We perhaps are dealing with semantics.

In the driveline industry, anything that changes the direction or torque is considered a power transfer unit. Transfercases, some transaxles, differentials, and features of a front wheel drive vehicle that feeds the drive shaft to the rear axle are some examples of PTUs.

On the street, the common transfercase or differential terms are most often used instead of PTU. Granted, if you look at the parts list for these assemblies many will have parts labeled PTU.

A device that changes hydraulic pressure to mechanical torque is more commonly referred to as a PTU. PTU happens to be a common term in the aircraft industry.
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Unread 03-25-2013, 07:53 AM   #25
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For what's worth about this late in the thread.

If you're looking at an old designed X (the one with body on chassis like a truck), then I'd recommend it. I had an '08, and it was a great vehicle for the most part. The only downside of it, it would be the clutch, they're pretty crappy even when knowing how to drive stick. The older models (i.e. '05, '06, etc.) had an issues with the tranny coolers, and the nice strawberry milk shake development inside of the tranny...I am not sure if the fix the issues with the '10, '11, etc.
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Unread 04-03-2013, 02:07 AM   #26
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Fwiw, I would go with the Jeep and did. Fits my bike perfectly yet after riding, I just prefer my outside mount for mud/ dirt reasons. Although, I like to take the front wheel off when I put it inside just so I don't hit the headliner with a handlebar etc.
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Unread 04-03-2013, 08:56 PM   #27
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Just to add to the voices here, I had a 2007 Pathfinder, and really was a good truck (mileage was a little low). 130,000 when I traded it in for the Summit. I considered both the Explorer and Pathfinder during the search (I also have a 99 Explorer I use as a snow plow with 175,000 on it). While I really liked the Pathfinder, the new ones with the CVT put me off. It is a technology I simply don't trust in a higher powered car. Too much can go wrong, and the stresses I would impose would be at the high end of the range (hunting and field driving). So even though it was comparable in features, I had to toss it out.

I have never cared for Explorers. I find them a little cramped in the interior and the doors are hinged too far back to make front seat access as easy as I like. Remember - I also own one, and the fundamental body layout hasn't changed. I did drive a new one, and confirmed this.

As for the Summit ('13, 5,000 miles) - simply the best decision I have made in 20 years on a car. I simply love it. While not without minor issues in the electronics (not ISSUES - just quirky things in the architecture and voice recognition), it has been flawless and met all of my expectations and exceeded them in many ways. Too much to talk about in forum, but in brief - I LOVE THIS TRUCK.
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Unread 04-04-2013, 11:58 AM   #28
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Hi everyone,

I'm looking to get a new SUV in the $30 - $35k range and the GC is at the top of my list. But I'm a big time mountain biker, and I was wondering how larger 29er mountain bike fits in the back with rear seats down with only the front wheel on the bike removed. Also, I carry an electric mini-power-washer to hose down the bike, so I'd need an electrical outlet. Does anyone have any experience with this in their GC?

I'm also looking at the Explorer and the new Pathfinder, which both seem to have more room, but look less rugged.
BikeGuy77 - I have a 29er too. I'll try to remember to take a couple of pictures for you when I get home so you can see how it fits.
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