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UNCjeepWK2 06-27-2013 09:49 AM

Transmission servicing
 
I got my '11 WK2 V8 4x4 serviced yesterday for 48k-mile servicing which was just oil change and tires rotated. My service guy said it was due for transmission service (fluid flushed and replaced w filter).

I was always under the impression tranny fluid doesn't need to be flushed and changed until 100k miles or so. Interested in other opinions... I of course told him to check it out and if it needed it, do it, but they said it was ok. The manual only says change it at 64k IF being used as fleet/taxi vehicle. What have you all done?

NCJeepGC 06-27-2013 03:56 PM

Follow what the manual says. Sounds like he is just trying to get you to spend some money. Unless your using it for constant heavy towing, Mopar ATF-4 can last 100,000 miles easy.

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Dave2002ti 06-27-2013 06:18 PM

I wouldn't let it go 100K
 
I would change it around 50 to 60K miles. Cheap insurance for a couple hundred bucks.

Butterjeep 06-27-2013 07:09 PM

Whenever an interval asks for 100k, I halve it. All other intervals I go by the book. Even 100k plugs, I replace them at 50k. Waste of money? Perhaps, but I sleep better at night.

boyvan 06-27-2013 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Butterjeep
Whenever an interval asks for 100k, I halve it. All other intervals I go by the book. Even 100k plugs, I replace them at 50k. Waste of money? Perhaps, but I sleep better at night.

Your money. Whatever makes you sleep better at night :-)

NCJeepGC 06-27-2013 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Butterjeep (Post 15615686)
Whenever an interval asks for 100k, I halve it. All other intervals I go by the book. Even 100k plugs, I replace them at 50k. Waste of money? Perhaps, but I sleep better at night.

As I can understand your logic, there's a huge price difference between changing plugs and servicing your transmission. I usually replace fluids/filters ahead of schedule. I'm not telling him to not do the service, I'm just saying its probably fine to wait. Its my research/experience that ATF-4 is a pretty sophisticated fluid that is capable of 100k miles under normal conditions. Do I think servicing a modern transmission at 48k is a waste of money, absolutely.

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tjkj2002 06-27-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NCJeepGC (Post 15615765)
As I can understand your logic, there's a huge price difference between changing plugs and servicing your transmission. I usually replace fluids/filters ahead of schedule. I'm not telling him to not do the service, I'm just saying its probably fine to wait. Its my research/experience that ATF-4 is a pretty sophisticated fluid that is capable of 100k miles under normal conditions. Do I think servicing a modern transmission at 48k is a waste of money, absolutely.

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Funny my Jeep states every 30k for severe and 60k for normal and it uses ATF+4 also.Eitherway I flush it every 15k and change both filters every 30k.

NCJeepGC 06-28-2013 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tjkj2002 (Post 15616121)
Funny my Jeep states every 30k for severe and 60k for normal and it uses ATF+4 also.Eitherway I flush it every 15k and change both filters every 30k.

Assuming your vehicle is what is in your signature, In 2002, transmissions were filled with ATF-3, and with ATF-3, service intervals were shorter, thus why your manual states that. ATF-3 was discontinued sometime around 2005, and ATF-4 replaced it. Upside was a fluid that could maintain its properties alot longer. WK2's service interval with ATF-4 is 64k for severe conditions, and 120k for normal conditions.

loveracing1988 06-28-2013 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tjkj2002 (Post 15616121)

Funny my Jeep states every 30k for severe and 60k for normal and it uses ATF+4 also.Eitherway I flush it every 15k and change both filters every 30k.

Aren't you also the one who works at a shop and you change your own oil every 3000 miles with Mobil one pretty much for free?

tjkj2002 06-28-2013 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NCJeepGC (Post 15616922)
Assuming your vehicle is what is in your signature, In 2002, transmissions were filled with ATF-3, and with ATF-3, service intervals were shorter, thus why your manual states that. ATF-3 was discontinued sometime around 2005, and ATF-4 replaced it. Upside was a fluid that could maintain its properties alot longer. WK2's service interval with ATF-4 is 64k for severe conditions, and 120k for normal conditions.

Nope filled with ATF+4,states it right there on the dipstick and in the owners manual.ATF+3 was phased out in '98 I believe because no 45RFE/545RFE trans ever came or was spec'd for ATF+3 and I have the 45RFE trans.

tjkj2002 06-28-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by loveracing1988 (Post 15617152)
Aren't you also the one who works at a shop and you change your own oil every 3000 miles with Mobil one pretty much for free?

It's every 1500 miles and yep it costs me about $10 to change my oil using Mobil 1 EP and Mobil 1 EP filter,and yes I do pay full retail and tax on both the oil and filter.

modernblueWK 06-28-2013 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tjkj2002 (Post 15619526)
It's every 1500 miles and yep it costs me about $10 to change my oil using Mobil 1 EP and Mobil 1 EP filter,and yes I do pay full retail and tax on both the oil and filter.

You are also the guy who would change his oil everyday if the evic told you to do so.

Every 1500 miles?? Why?? Flush every 15,000 why? How does the fluid look after such a short interval?

ColdCase 06-29-2013 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by modernblueWK (Post 15620250)
You are also the guy who would change his oil everyday if the evic told you to do so.

Every 1500 miles?? Why?? Flush every 15,000 why? How does the fluid look after such a short interval?

Some folks just feel better about their rides when it gets fresh fluids often. Like some folks clean the car every day, polish and wax every weekend. And if you like doing it, why not? I dunno if anyone wore out the threads on the oil plug.

Butterjeep 06-29-2013 05:38 AM

Lol my dad used to joke that I'd wear out the hood latch on my TJ when I was a kid. I'd pop the hood and just stare at the motor. I need to be better about washing my vehicles, haven't washed my JK in months and haven't washed my wk2 since I bought it!

rudeney 06-29-2013 08:56 PM

This is the 5-0speed transmission, right? This is basically the Mercedes-Benz 722.6 transmission. These were shipped with a high-quality synthetic oil and were originally claimed to be "sealed for life". The problem was, they started seeing failures around 150K miles, so fluid and filter changes were recommended at 70K miles. Most of these lacked a torque converter drain, so the dropping the pan would only yield about 4 (less than half the capacity), but that was better than nothing. Later, the 722.9 7-speed transmissions came out, and they carry a one-time 39K fluid/filter change service interval (but with the torque converter drain you can get 9 quarts out of it). Having serviced several of these transmissions and seen the poor quality of fluids, I would strongly recommend regular fluid and filter changes every 35K miles. I don't know if the Chrysler version have torque converter drains or not, but if they do, they should be drained. As for the fluid, the original fluid was MB Spec 236.12, but that was discontinued and now they have 236.14 spec, which is the Mopar ATF+4. Another good fluid that meets this spec and is widely available is Shell ATF-134.


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