[jgiuliani]

I've heard a couple folks use the argument that the JGC is not in the same class as the other vehicles they compared it to (namely the Volvo and the VW). For those folks, I'm curious - which class you consider the JGC is in, and what other vehicle would be in it's class? To me vehicles class is based on size and body style, such as mid-sized SUV, compact car, full-sized sedan, minivan, etc. By that reasoning the JGC would be in the same class as the other vehicles tested, but I'm must be wrong.

[hammer1234]

Originally Posted by jgiuliani

I've heard a couple folks use the argument that the JGC is not in the same class as the other vehicles they compared it to (namely the Volvo and the VW). For those folks, I'm curious - which class you consider the JGC is in, and what other vehicle would be in it's class? To me vehicles class is based on size and body style, such as mid-sized SUV, compact car, full-sized sedan, minivan, etc. By that reasoning the JGC would be in the same class as the other vehicles tested, but I'm must be wrong.

IMO the Volvo and VW are more crossover vehicles than SUVs...may be wrong but I didn't think that either is designed for any real off-road driving. That's how I differentiate the GC, since it needs to have different handling characteristics to be able to be used off-road.

That doesn't mean that the GC should be expected to fail tests like this, it's just that its performance needs to be compared to other off-road capable SUVs. Not sure which ones are sold in the Euro market.

[jgiuliani]

So then the 4-Runner and Pathfinder maybe?

[jgc4ever]

Originally Posted by hammer1234

IMO the Volvo and VW are more crossover vehicles than SUVs...may be wrong but I didn't think that either is designed for any real off-road driving. That's how I differentiate the GC, since it needs to have different handling characteristics to be able to be used off-road.

That doesn't mean that the GC should be expected to fail tests like this, it's just that its performance needs to be compared to other off-road capable SUVs. Not sure which ones are sold in the Euro market.

Toureg is also capable off-road.

[pilottim]

Originally Posted by jgc4ever

Toureg is also capable off-road.

Yup. I had an '05 equipped with center and rear diff lockers and air suspension, things you can't get on a new one. The new one lacks low range, locking diffs and air suspension. I put 80k miles on my Touareg, many towing and off road. Almost 12 inches of ground clearance with the air suspension. And it could tow 7700 lbs, but I never got that high. I loved it when it worked. The Jeep has everything I liked in the Touareg and it's a bit larger. Looking to pick one up soon. Oh, you could also get that massive 5.0 V10 diesel - with a chip you can get almost 500 go and 950 ft lb torque!

[hammer1234]

Originally Posted by pilottim

Yup. I had an '05 equipped with center and rear diff lockers and air suspension, things you can't get on a new one. The new one lacks low range, locking diffs and air suspension. I put 80k miles on my Touareg, many towing and off road. Almost 12 inches of ground clearance with the air suspension. And it could tow 7700 lbs, but I never got that high. I loved it when it worked. The Jeep has everything I liked in the Touareg and it's a bit larger. Looking to pick one up soon. Oh, you could also get that massive 5.0 V10 diesel - with a chip you can get almost 500 go and 950 ft lb torque!

So is the new Touareg off-road capable in the same way as the WK2 that tipped in the moose test? If not then I don't see the comparison.

I also think it would be interesting to see how a Laredo with QTI and base suspension and wheels behaves in the moose test. Comparing that trim level with a Touareg (and maybe an XC90) would be more credible IMO.

[snobrdrkid07]

I just watched and read this which I think was posted earlier.
http://jalopnik.com/5930933/jeep-gra...ver-test-again
From my view it looked like they were driving the Grand Cherokee harder and more abrupt compared to the other two cars the showed for an example. Anyone else see that?
Here are my 2c if anyone cares.
1. The GC is more of a SUV then a crossover when compared to the Volvo and the VW. Not the same, but CLOSE.
2. Physics is pretty hard to beat. It's the Law.
3. The Jeep engineers are not idiots, they have tested this over and over again. If there was a serious issue with roll over then they would have made changes. Pretty sure Chrysler does not like to deal with crap like this.
4. I still would buy a WK2 in a heart beat if I could. These tests to do NOT change my opinion, well not an opinion - it is fact, about how safe these Jeeps are. Pretty sure it won all kinds of IIHS awards.
5. Anyone needs to know that a higher up SUV, is going to have a higher COG and will have a higher chance of roll over. Again, Physics. You rip anything hard over enough, you can roll it over...
6. These guys testing had no safety gear on. People standing all over the place. What happens if the driver does loose control? Usually they test roll over with outriggers on the vehicle so it actually won't roll over. Right? And, THEY were concerned about "safety"Those things make me feel that these tests have a bit less credibly. It also seemed like they got it down to a science on how to load it, drive it, and make it pop a tire every time, and almost roll.
7. These people also seem like they are trying to smear the GC. They were telling viewers to "think of your families and children for God's sake!" Then they suggests that consumers "not buy the product." That just screams slander to me. Maybe they are jealous of the Jeep...

Overall I just smell something fishy here. I don't know all the nitty grit details, but I thought I'd chime in on my thoughts. Still ordering a 2015 WK2 when I graduate college!

[compcrasher86]

When the WK2 was released there was concern about the wheel lift in this situation. Since this was publicized Chrysler developed a reflash for the stability control system that prevents it from happening. Honestly, at the end of the day though, if you're unable to keep your vehicle on all four without the help of a computer system you need to either: A. get a better feel for the limits of your vehicle or B. get off the road. Take anything older than a WK2, a WJ,ZJ,TJ,YJ,XJ and start tweaking around with it like this. Stability control, hahaha! Anywho, heres a link to the article I spoke of including a retest: http://news.consumerreports.org/cars...g-problem.html

[WileEKI-Ody]

it seriously looks like hes trying to flip it. and those are some outrageous claims. wat a bunch of bull it seriously sounds like they got payed to smear the GC

[JeepJeep2012]

I would put the Jeep GC and the VW Toureg in the exact same class. I was going to buy the VW but it is a lot more money and the closest dealer is over an hours drive. Heck the VW with a V6 will tow 7700 lbs. It is a very capable SUV. I am quite happy with my Jeep GC and it should do everything that I need it to do.

[xmonger]

Originally Posted by snobrdrkid07

I just watched and read this which I think was posted earlier.
http://jalopnik.com/5930933/jeep-gra...ver-test-again

6. These guys testing had no safety gear on. People standing all over the place. What happens if the driver does loose control? Usually they test roll over with outriggers on the vehicle so it actually won't roll over. Right? And, THEY were concerned about "safety"Those things make me feel that these tests have a bit less credibly. It also seemed like they got it down to a science on how to load it, drive it, and make it pop a tire every time, and almost roll.

Come on...the passenger had a bicycle helmet on.

Completely credible.

[jlused]

Any additional details / updates about the Auto, Motor und Sport test?

[Morris4x4Center]

There was an Update to that original video.

YouTube

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[Ernestd]

These Swedes Were not very fair with their testing of a Great American Icon!
Maybe some other manufacturer paid them to carry out this lie to try and ruin the reputation of a great vehicle and company.
It's been my experience that this vehicle is by far one of the most solid ,well behaved and predictable suvs on the road today!
This car is the King of the street and King of the hills.
Cheers

[spike98]

This is absolute crap. I performed a similar maneuver just this past week on my 2 week old overland. With a full vehicle and luggage I was doing the speed limit on a straight (80km/hr) with a fellow doing ~60km/hr in front of me. No traffic, dotted line, perfect visibility. The other guy had no break lights on and no signal light. I switch lanes to pass and with about 2-3 car lenths he pulled a hard left in front of me to turn into a hidden driveway. I yanked it to the right to avoid a collision and re corrected to remain on the road and not end up in the ditch. The overland took it like a champ. No popped tires. No feeling of flipping. It handled it MUCH better than i thought an SUV would.

This test very skewed. From the get go they are TRYING to roll the thing. They way they bash the jeep it seems very biased and smear-like.