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Unread 09-18-2010, 11:41 AM   #1
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Getting quotes via email - my experience.

Please note that my situation may be different from others - I have no trade-in and will not use dealer financing, not eligible for any current rebates or Chrysler employee rebates. One would think this will make it really simple for dealers to give me a quote but this didn't turn out to be the case.

1) Create a throw-away email address and do not specify your real name (you can thank me later).

Gmail is good because it offers free email forwarding and POP. Unless you use Web UI 100% make sure you are replying using throw-away account in Outlook or whatever email client you use.

2) Which website to use to submit requests?

I only considered 2 options - Edmunds.com and Jeep.com (there may be others I don't know about). Edmunds.com didn't have 430N radio in the list of options for Laredo, so Jeep.com was the only choice.

3) Submission process on Jeep. com

Jeep.com only allows you to submit your request to one dealer at a time (Edmunds allows to submit to several at once). This is major PIA considering that Jeep.com doesn't keep your car configuration for a long time - browser session times out very fast. This is how it manifests itself: submit request to 1 dealer, press "Back" in the browser to pick another from the list. Click on the link to your vehicle configuration - you will get a message that session timed out even though it does show Grand Cherokee 2011.

So if you use "Back" button, select new dealer and re-submit you can never be sure they will actually receive your configuration. I didn't realize that until I was on dealer #15

To work around this problem you have 2 options:

a) [If you like pain and suffering] Configure your Jeep from scratch each time

b) Put full configuration in the message field (this is what I did after I figured out there is a problem). This also checks attention span for email recipient. Do this even if you pick option a) - just copy and paste the same text.

I submitted requests to about 30 dealers in NYC area in 50 miles radius preferring NY, some where in NJ

You will immediately receive automated confirmation email from pretty much everyone. DO NOT RESPOND TO THEM IF YOU ARE SURE YOU SPECIFIED VEHICLE CONFIGURATION. You will receive emails from humans soon.

4) Response from dealerships

SUMMARY: be prepared that in most cases you will never receive a quote via email (details below). I know it sounds ridiculous but I only received 5 quotes out of which 2 were too good to be true ($1,000 and $2,000 under invoice and there are no incentives at this time). 3 quotes where what I would call "actionable" and warranted further communication. These 3 quotes were in [invoice-$160...invoice+$100] range with me spending very little time to have them bid against each other

It has become obvious that most of the dealers use the same 3-4 IT companies for their web marketing. One can tell from email address like "******@dealerportal.com". Also canned letters from different companies were EXACTLY the same except return email address - this was pretty funny.

I only received quote in first email from 1 (one!) dealer (and it was one of the actionables). Yes, you read that right - 1. However, since I wasn't sure who received exact configuration I had to give everyone benefit of a doubt - I replied with vehicle configuration to each email that seemed to originate from a human.

At this time it has become clear that wast majority of dealerships still don't get it. All they really wanted is for me to call them or to come to the dealership. HELLO???? IS ANYBODY HOME??? The whole point of my quote request was that I don't want to visit 30 dealerships or talk on the phone with them. This "email" thingy seems pretty convenient to me.

One person said literally "Well, I don't give quote in print". Then why did you register for this at Jeep.com? There was one dealer listed at jeep.com that had a phone icon instead of radio-box which meant they don't quote over the email - sounds fair to me.

Some dealers would respond with prices for vehicles different from what I required about. The one with used Toyota Matrix for $32,000 was the most hilarious. This clearly means they don't have sufficient attention span to even read my email.

My advice: if you don't receive a quote in first email - reply back with exact car configuration and if you still don't receive a quote - stop talking to them - it will be nothing but a waste of time. Even after I replied to all of them with exact configuration most still would respond as if this weren't the case, sometimes with canned letters trying to get me to call them or come to their dealerships.

5) Actionable quotes

Once actionable quotes are identified you can spent some time trying to bid them against each other. Some of the dealers will ask you where they stand. If you tell them - they will sometimes reply with a better offer. You don't have to give them names of other dealers at this time.

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Unread 09-20-2010, 04:49 PM   #2
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Interesting story! Yes, they all want us to come in so that they can wear us down. Harder to do that online. Reminds me how much I hate buying a car. If it's not the salesman, then the sales manager, then followed by the finance guy. What a bunch of bastards.
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Unread 09-20-2010, 05:01 PM   #3
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Good advice OP. The email bombardment is relentless, much of it nonsense, plus you'll get the same treatment if you're brave enough to give out a phone number. However, IME, the net lets you get to invoice plus or minus in a much faster, less annoying way.

While there doesn't seem to be much price dealing on the WK2 as of now, I've been able to get them to invoice plus $200-$400 depending upon options, without having to sit in a showroom for hours. I bet this dynamic changes once they get the late edition amenities and overall production cranked up and we'll see invoice minus say by mid 2012.
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Unread 09-20-2010, 06:12 PM   #4
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It is already invoice minus. I just ordered at invoice-$200 (and this includes $200 bull**** fees that I just didn't care to argue about). Plus if there are incentives on delivery day - they will be applied.
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Unread 09-20-2010, 06:25 PM   #5
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Unread 09-20-2010, 07:07 PM   #6
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JS, that's hilarious. Nice work on the pricing, I'm bringing you in.

Sorry if I missed it, but what is your configuration?
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Unread 09-20-2010, 07:12 PM   #7
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JS, that's hilarious. Nice work on the pricing, I'm bringing you in.

Sorry if I missed it, but what is your configuration?
Laredo 4X4 V6
Dark Charcoal ext/Black leather Int
26X package
Trailer Tow Group
Media Center 430N

Where are you bringing me in?
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Unread 09-20-2010, 07:27 PM   #8
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Laredo 4X4 V6
Dark Charcoal ext/Black leather Int
26X package
Trailer Tow Group
Media Center 430N

Where are you bringing me in?
Oh I figured, to get you a good price. It's real simple.

This is how you do this: get a quotes from several dealers following instructions above. Then send everyone (except the one who gave you the lowest quote) email like this:

35,595
35,685
35,935 <--- you
36,344
36,595

And let the games begin.

They all asked where they stand, so I told them

Then I went to the dealer I actually wanted to purchase from and had him match the lowest price
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Unread 09-20-2010, 11:40 PM   #9
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My local dealer ( Glendora) is adding a $5000 premium over the MSRP sticker. I stopped in to take a look at a nice white one and just about lost it when I saw the sticker. I guess you would feel good to get it at MSRP,, LMAO.
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Unread 09-21-2010, 03:47 AM   #10
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My local dealer ( Glendora) is adding a $5000 premium over the MSRP sticker. I stopped in to take a look at a nice white one and just about lost it when I saw the sticker. I guess you would feel good to get it at MSRP,, LMAO.
As much as I want to order an Overland when the "Late Available" options are available there is no way I am paying over sticker or even sticker for that matter.

With todays and most likely tomorrows economy and dealers still failing they need to re-think their pricing policy.
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Unread 09-21-2010, 06:54 AM   #11
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Laredo 4X4 V6
Dark Charcoal ext/Black leather Int
26X package
Trailer Tow Group
Media Center 430N

Where are you bringing me in?
Throw in the Off Road Adventure I package and that's what I want. And you got 'em under invoice. Nice job.
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