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Unread 11-02-2011, 07:19 AM   #1
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Fully disabling ESP solved

Simply remove the J6 40 amp fuse (ABS pump/ Stability control system) and the effect is superb.
The dashboard will constantly show the traction symbol (with no off writing) and during testing it proved to be fully disabled. Engine power was not cut and traction was never activated.

The downside to fully disabling esp is when the vehicle is (hanging) or stuck in sand only one tire in each axle spins (Quadra track ||) constantly whereas with the fuse plugged in torque is transferred to the stuck tires but not constantly (alternates between the tire with less traction and the tire with more traction) which increases the chance of freeing the vehicle.

After testing the vehicle I plugged back the fuse and used for a week now and no problems where discovered. So feel safe removing the fuse and unleash the full power of your vehicle.

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Unread 11-02-2011, 11:54 AM   #2
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Wonder how wise would this be on a v6 w/QT1 ....
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Unread 11-02-2011, 12:20 PM   #3
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Maybe I just don't understand. Why do this?
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Unread 11-02-2011, 12:27 PM   #4
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Maybe I just don't understand. Why do this?
It will allow for a lot more wheel spin which is helpful when powering through deep sand or cleaning mud out of your tires if they become clogged.
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Unread 11-02-2011, 01:54 PM   #5
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I take it this also disables the anti lock brakes?

I want the traction control disabled but would like to keep the abs.
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Unread 11-02-2011, 07:39 PM   #6
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Is this ESC that you're disabling?
Do you mean you can't disable it like (I thought) you could disable it, with the switch on the instrument panel? Like (I thought) you could disable it on the 2011/2012 Jeep Wranglers????
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Unread 11-02-2011, 07:48 PM   #7
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I take it this also disables the anti lock brakes?

I want the traction control disabled but would like to keep the abs.
Not possible,also not legal to disable any of it.Get into accident that someone is killed and they dig into your Jeep and find the ABS disabled your SOL and going to jail.Then the insurance company get's to have fun with you for fraud.
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Unread 11-02-2011, 08:27 PM   #8
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Not possible,also not legal to disable any of it.Get into accident that someone is killed and they dig into your Jeep and find the ABS disabled your SOL and going to jail.Then the insurance company get's to have fun with you for fraud.
While I will be the first to admit that I'm not a lawyer, and may very well be wrong, I would dispute this assertion. While ABS is a federal mandate for auto manufacturers, I do not know of, nor do I believe, there is any law that would result in criminal charges for an individual disabling ABS. It would increase the individual's risk to lawsuit, and the insurance company denying claims. And perhaps some lawyer COULD twist it into criminal negligence. He/she would undoubtedly try.
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Unread 11-02-2011, 08:34 PM   #9
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Anybody out there tried this in a v8 with QL. I play on the beach a lot in my '99 and was going to be very disappointed if I couldn't play in the sand due to Trac control.
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Unread 11-02-2011, 09:04 PM   #10
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Is this ESC that you're disabling?
Do you mean you can't disable it like (I thought) you could disable it, with the switch on the instrument panel? Like (I thought) you could disable it on the 2011/2012 Jeep Wranglers????
That only disables the throttle control component of ESC. The other component that remains enabled is the braking.
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Unread 11-02-2011, 09:27 PM   #11
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AH! OK, thanks.
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Unread 11-02-2011, 10:20 PM   #12
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While I will be the first to admit that I'm not a lawyer, and may very well be wrong, I would dispute this assertion. While ABS is a federal mandate for auto manufacturers, I do not know of, nor do I believe, there is any law that would result in criminal charges for an individual disabling ABS. It would increase the individual's risk to lawsuit, and the insurance company denying claims. And perhaps some lawyer COULD twist it into criminal negligence. He/she would undoubtedly try.
ABS is not required but ESP is federally mandated for all '12+ models and must remain active in any older model year that came with it.Just so happens that ABS is part of ESP function.Your right the insurance will deny coverage if found out and take you to court for fraud since your getting that nice ABS/ESP safety discount.

I've seen it done to poeple who disabled there airbags when I worked at the dealership,they spent a few years in jail and some hefty fines and lawsuit bills for the rest of there lives.


Now this does not mean I like those systems,I think they are worthless and only mandated since they can not actually force poeple to actually learn how to drive in the 1st place.
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Unread 11-03-2011, 05:36 AM   #13
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ABS is not required but ESP is federally mandated for all '12+ models and must remain active in any older model year that came with it.Just so happens that ABS is part of ESP function.Your right the insurance will deny coverage if found out and take you to court for fraud since your getting that nice ABS/ESP safety discount.

I've seen it done to poeple who disabled there airbags when I worked at the dealership,they spent a few years in jail and some hefty fines and lawsuit bills for the rest of there lives.


Now this does not mean I like those systems,I think they are worthless and only mandated since they can not actually force poeple to actually learn how to drive in the 1st place.
I'm still not believing that any customer goes to jail for breaking a law that says the customer has to keep their ABS or airbags active. Fraud, maybe. In the end it is still jail time, though, I guess.
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Unread 11-03-2011, 08:01 AM   #14
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I'm still not believing that any customer goes to jail for breaking a law that says the customer has to keep their ABS or airbags active. Fraud, maybe. In the end it is still jail time, though, I guess.
They do not go to jail for the disabling of the ABS/airbags they go to jail after being convicted of vehiclular manslaugther or similar due to a death resulting in a accident in which one of those safety items would/could have prevented the death.
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Unread 11-03-2011, 02:13 PM   #15
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They do not go to jail for the disabling of the ABS/airbags they go to jail after being convicted of vehiclular manslaugther or similar due to a death resulting in a accident in which one of those safety items would/could have prevented the death.
Then you and I are in violent agreement.
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