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Unread 01-06-2014, 05:18 AM   #16
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Yesterday I drove my new Overland on a mix of ice and snow .... It was raining at 28 degrees!

Salt trucks were MIA so the road ( RT1) was slippery and a Lexus and a Ford Explorer met their death in front of me.

I was extremely pleased how the Jeep handled the situation. Just baby it and follow the advice in the other threads. My '02 GC handled great in the snow.... This '14 even handles better.

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Unread 01-06-2014, 07:34 AM   #17
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You've already gotten pretty much all the advice you need, I'd only add one thing.


If you're familiar with dirt the BIGGEST difference is that IF you let off the throttle dirt is going to stop you, maybe it will take a foot or two with locked or nearly locked brakes, but it will stop you. ICE is a COMPLETELY different thing, and you might slide a few feet or possibly, with a little downhill, you could go for 100 yards or more. That's the single biggest difference...
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Unread 01-06-2014, 09:54 AM   #18
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Give yourself twice as much time as you normally would, or maybe even more, so you don't feel rushed and take a shortcut from any of these tips.
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Unread 01-06-2014, 10:06 AM   #19
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Give yourself twice as much time as you normally would, or maybe even more, so you don't feel rushed and take a shortcut from any of these tips.
And watch out for all the idiots that don't...
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Unread 01-06-2014, 11:51 AM   #20
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Thanks one and all - some really valuable feedback here. It's actually everyone driving around me here that is the big worry. Seems every second car I see they are on the cell phone, texting, with a coffee in the other hand! Maybe I should get a Ram 3500 instead....
Appreciate all the help, and thanks too for the welcome. Means a lot!
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Unread 01-06-2014, 11:56 AM   #21
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First turn your ESP off. Practice makes perfect.
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Unread 01-06-2014, 12:25 PM   #22
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1. Go buy an old junker Grand Cherokee for dirt cheap off Craigslist.
2. Find a deserted stretch of road with no steep dropoffs.
3. Drive way too fast and total the junker.
4. Remember everything you just did wrong and enjoy your new Jeep!
5. ???
6. Profit.

Just kidding, do not do any of that! And #5 and 6 are just a South Park gag, sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Lots of good advice was already dealt, especially about being easy with your brake, throttle and steering. And enjoy that new oil burner when she comes in!
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Unread 01-06-2014, 02:27 PM   #23
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All good advice,

Something to add can be,

don't turn the steering wheel and brake at the same time especially for higher speeds and strong brakes. Either brake slowly and decrease your speed or make a turn. Driving in snow requires more planning ahead, if you see you need to turn ahead, first slow down before you need to turn the steering wheel; try to decrease your speed to make the turning safe; then make the turn.

remember ice is more dangerous than fresh snow and ice can be hidden "black".
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Unread 01-06-2014, 04:37 PM   #24
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All good advice, if you want to be able to stop and turn as well as you can go in 4x4 consider dedicated winter tires. I know many will say they are not needed but once you try them, its a BIG difference, I used to use Nokians but they got real pricey so I switched to nearly as good and a lot less expensive General Arctic Altimax (studded because we get frequent icing)....
And keep in mind, ABS, skid control, all of it is good, but none can actually increase traction, the only thing that can do that, is the tires. ABS in particular, does not stop you faster per se in snow and ice, it enables you to STEER, but as long as there is no traction the ABS will continue pulsing and you will not stop.
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Unread 01-07-2014, 09:30 PM   #25
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Tips for Driving in Snow , Slush and Ice

Snow, ice and slush are the most slippery between 28 and 34 degrees because this allows a thin film of water to develop on top of the ice. This is temp they like to keep the ice at for speed skating since it is the fastest. Driving on packed snow when temps below 20 degrees is a completely different experience than at 30 degrees.

This works for driving on any surface the shinier the surface is the slicker it will be. Doesnt matter if the road is dry or covered in snow. Dull is your friend. Even on a road course you find more traction on dull pavement than on pavement polished smooth and shiny by racing slicks.

If you spin with ABS its uncontrollable. Both feet in or stomping the brake and shifting to neutral does nothing. You stop somewhere along an unpredictable tangent. Not fun. No ABS you stop in a shorter distance in deep snow. Wish there was some way of wiring in a switch for the ABS to turn it off and on. It was easy on my old 3 series.

Drive slow slower than you think is a good idea. Might take a little longer to get home but you will get home.

Pay attention to other cars around you. They will do some of the dumbest things you can ever imagine. Especially morons in 4wd pick ups and Suvs.
Absolute worse are Subie and Audi S drivers who think they are pro rally drivers.

Find a nice abandoned parking lot and practice driving in the snow and ice. Make sure it doesnt have any light poles you can hit or places you can get stuck.

All the electronic nannies just mean when you will lose traction in snow or ice and it will happen at faster speed. Big time no good.

Buy winter tires Vredstein, Michelin, Nokian, and Bridgestone make the best performing snow tires. When 12in means the difference between smacking the guardrail and not the price difference isnt important.

Dont wear heavy boots while driving. Change into a Topsider or something similar which gives you better feel for the pedals and the road. Wear a jacket not a long coat for driving. Why a long coat covers you legs and butt and you want to be able to drive by the seat of your pants.

Thinking about carrying a folding shovel and 25lbs of sand in rubbermaid tub.
A space blanket and hide some energy bars. Have an empty cup or bottle for melting snow for water. Throw some hand warmers in the glove box and spare gloves and socks. Consider purchasing one of those emergency hand crank radios/ flashlights for your GC or at the very least carry another flashlight to go with the rechargeable one.

Buy washer fluid for the garage at home and if the weather is going to be bad check your washer fluid. Remember a Noreaster can bring lots of rain which means lots of dirt, mud etc on the windshield. Not just for the snow.

By a 30 pack of toilet paper from Wallies World, a couple cases of your favorite cold beverages, some snacks and throw chicken and your other favorite foods in the freezer. Have cans of soup and etc and some means of heating them up in case you lose power. A Noreaster can be as bad as hurricane. Learn to make clam chowder, oyster stew and lobster chowder.
have a good bottle or two of Highland Single malt available as a reward when you finally get home.

Always have plenty of food for your dogs. Spot why are you staring at me. Spot!

Consider a generator wired for the whole house

Oh in the beginning of July do a post for hurricane tips.
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Unread 01-08-2014, 11:40 AM   #26
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I've always tried to control the car with the gas pedal in the snow and not the brake pedal. I always see people riding their brakes down hills and sliding all over the place. As soon as I get in my car I turn off overdrive (my pathfinder has a button for it) and then I stay in the lower gears. I barely ever touch the brake pedal unless someone in front of me slows unexpectedly or I'm at a stop light. Slow and steady with no sudden movements and very little brake pedal. Sometimes if I'm in a low gear to coast down a hill I will hit the brake just enough for the lights to come on so the guy behind me realizes I'm going slow. Theres usually a bit of a dead spot in the brake pedal that will light the lights but not actually apply the brakes.

That's been my strategy for the last 12 years or so in my current pathfinder and old XJ. All in CT winters. Neither car has had any kind of traction control or assists. Still looking for the right WK2 to buy but I expect to do the same thing once I get it. Snow tires are also a great investment. I hated the way my wifes AWD Volvo drove in the snow being that it's FWD based. This year I got her a set of snow tires and it's a night and day difference. It turns and stops now without plowing the front end through corners. I'm sure a Jeep with snow tires would be unstoppable.
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Unread 01-08-2014, 12:30 PM   #27
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I've always tried to control the car with the gas pedal in the snow and not the brake pedal. I always see people riding their brakes down hills and sliding all over the place. As soon as I get in my car I turn off overdrive (my pathfinder has a button for it) and then I stay in the lower gears. I barely ever touch the brake pedal unless someone in front of me slows unexpectedly or I'm at a stop light. Slow and steady with no sudden movements and very little brake pedal. Sometimes if I'm in a low gear to coast down a hill I will hit the brake just enough for the lights to come on so the guy behind me realizes I'm going slow. Theres usually a bit of a dead spot in the brake pedal that will light the lights but not actually apply the brakes.

That's been my strategy for the last 12 years or so in my current pathfinder and old XJ. All in CT winters. Neither car has had any kind of traction control or assists. Still looking for the right WK2 to buy but I expect to do the same thing once I get it. Snow tires are also a great investment. I hated the way my wifes AWD Volvo drove in the snow being that it's FWD based. This year I got her a set of snow tires and it's a night and day difference. It turns and stops now without plowing the front end through corners. I'm sure a Jeep with snow tires would be unstoppable.
Great point about using the brakes

With most modern cars and trucks is they dont allow you to drive using all the inputs to your advantage. By that I mean using all the pedals, the steering wheel and the gears. The electronic nannies feel they have to interfere

My WK2 on a snow covered exit ramp doesnt like to go into a controlled four wheel drift. I just cant get it to take the right set so when I reach the bottom I just straighten the wheel and gently apply the gas to go down the road. The electronic nannies. Oh no sir you are sliding we cant have that. My vehicle is safer and more under control than it is with all the electronic nannies helping.

But most folks dont have a clue about car control so maybe one day someone will come up with a controller to shut all the systems off.

Right now folks with no driving skills win which is 98%+ of the drivers on the road.
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Unread 01-08-2014, 04:10 PM   #28
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Make sure to give a good distance to stop and slow down around turns. Avoid heavy throttle and hard braking...Make sure your tires are good for the conditions and use snow mode! Keep a tow strap and winter clothing in the back of Jeep, have a cell phone, and pistol, well that's an option but what I do and last but not least use common sense. Take your Jeep to big empty parking lot with snow and learn the Jeep, slide it around, see how it performs. Also, please don't forget to run all Prius's off the road because here in Utah everybody that owns a Prius drives crazy in the snow and thinks there tanks! Today its a blizzard here, love driven our Jeep in the snow, handles it great, very impressed, Quadra-Trac II/Drive II is a great setup!
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Unread 01-08-2014, 04:18 PM   #29
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Thanks one and all - some really valuable feedback here. It's actually everyone driving around me here that is the big worry. Seems every second car I see they are on the cell phone, texting, with a coffee in the other hand! Maybe I should get a Ram 3500 instead....
Appreciate all the help, and thanks too for the welcome. Means a lot!
Cheers
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Our RAM 2500 CTD sucks compared to the Jeep in the snow, heavy a$$ truck hard to stop! QuadradriveII rocks compered to the standard 4 hi/low x-case for sure!
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Unread 01-09-2014, 04:36 AM   #30
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Our RAM 2500 CTD sucks compared to the Jeep in the snow, heavy a$$ truck hard to stop! QuadradriveII rocks compered to the standard 4 hi/low x-case for sure!
Thats funny. My Ram 1500 is light years ahead of my wifes jeep. While not quite as heavy as your ram I am able to go pretty much as fast as I want down the expressway and not even get a whiff of feeling like im floating on the snow. I am also able to outbrake her jeep by a considerable margin.
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