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Unread 02-07-2015, 09:44 PM   #1
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Any 2015 EcoDiesel problems?

All, I'm trying to figure out if the 2014 diesel issues have carried over to the 2015s. I've got a 2014 Overland diesel that started developing check engine lights with exhaust failures around 6K miles. Mine is a Apr 2014 build. I've had the DEF injector seal replaced followed by the injector itself followed by an injector pump and now I'm waiting on a different part that I honestly can't remember what is wrong now. All of these were indicated by the CEL when I took it to the dealer. So, I'd like to give this one back to Jeep and get another just like it, without the problems. My two questions are; any 2015 problems and/or when do the diesel problems start to diminish. April was a bad month for me. Thanks for the input.

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Unread 02-08-2015, 12:35 AM   #2
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I think there were two major things that were fixed in the 2015s - software and the catalytic converter. I have a November 2014 build 2015. I've only put 400 miles on it so far, so I can't be certain, but I do know that Chrysler figured out the software problem and then in October 2014 they put out the TSB to replace the defective catalytic converter on every 2014 manufactured before then. The TSB made no indication about being applicable to the 2015s manufactured after that date.

My semi-educated guess is that if you get a 2015 built November 2014 or later, you're probably fine. You can check this on the sticker at the end of the door on the drivers side. Frankly, I don't know when the 2015s first went into production, so there might be some older build 2015s that could still be iffy. You could have the dealer check the catalytic converter part number if you're concerned. I believe the bad part number ended in AA and the redesigned part number ends in AB.

One problem still persists. That's the DEF injector and lines going to it still being exposed. That's easily solved with a protection plate, though. $200 or so and you've got a solid vehicle.
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Unread 02-08-2015, 06:33 AM   #3
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I think there were two major things that were fixed in the 2015s - software and the catalytic converter. I have a November 2014 build 2015. I've only put 400 miles on it so far, so I can't be certain, but I do know that Chrysler figured out the software problem and then in October 2014 they put out the TSB to replace the defective catalytic converter on every 2014 manufactured before then. The TSB made no indication about being applicable to the 2015s manufactured after that date.

My semi-educated guess is that if you get a 2015 built November 2014 or later, you're probably fine. You can check this on the sticker at the end of the door on the drivers side. Frankly, I don't know when the 2015s first went into production, so there might be some older build 2015s that could still be iffy. You could have the dealer check the catalytic converter part number if you're concerned. I believe the bad part number ended in AA and the redesigned part number ends in AB.

One problem still persists. That's the DEF injector and lines going to it still being exposed. That's easily solved with a protection plate, though. $200 or so and you've got a solid vehicle.

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Unread 02-08-2015, 07:01 AM   #4
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I had my jeep in for service two weeks ago because of the P20EE code. Dealer also completed all TSB's on my 2013 build Ecodiesel. He told me all TSB's were up to date. No mention of replacing the cat. Are they suppose to replace evey one with these buld dates? If so, I wonder how I can get dealer to perform required fix. This is so frustrating!!
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Unread 02-08-2015, 08:17 AM   #5
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I had my jeep in for service two weeks ago because of the P20EE code. Dealer also completed all TSB's on my 2013 build Ecodiesel. He told me all TSB's were up to date. No mention of replacing the cat. Are they suppose to replace evey one with these buld dates? If so, I wonder how I can get dealer to perform required fix. This is so frustrating!!
Akinney...exactly which TSB from 10/14 are you referencing for cat conv replacement?

I am not a deisel guy so just trying to point Womps in the right direction. Here are all the TSB's published.

http://wk2jeeps.com/wk2_tsb.htm
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Unread 02-08-2015, 08:38 PM   #6
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Akinney...exactly which TSB from 10/14 are you referencing for cat conv replacement?

I am not a deisel guy so just trying to point Womps in the right direction. Here are all the TSB's published.

http://wk2jeeps.com/wk2_tsb.htm
I had my dates a little off. October 2014 was the software:
http://wk2jeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wk2_1801814d.pdf

November 2014 was the catalytic converter:
http://wk2jeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wk2_1804514.pdf

They're closely related. Most people who have had problems with the catalytic converter have also had problems with the DEF injector clogging and, sometimes, the DEF pump failing due to the clogged injector. Something about how the defective catalytic converter affected exhaust flows was clogging DEF injectors.

Dealers have made this a three step process, per Chrysler:
1. Apply the software update from October 2014.
2. If the codes come back, investigate/fix the DEF injector/pump/etc.
3. If the codes still come back, replace the catalytic converter.

They won't just do step 3 without first doing the other things. Not everyone has a bad catalytic converter, according to Chrysler, though it may depend on driving frequency/distance and so forth whether the problem manifests.

Neither TSB mentions 2015 models. In the chart at wk2jeeps.com, they have the X in the 2015 column for the catalytic converter TSB, but that's a mistake. The TSB itself says it is only for 2014s.
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Unread 02-08-2015, 08:44 PM   #7
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I had my jeep in for service two weeks ago because of the P20EE code. Dealer also completed all TSB's on my 2013 build Ecodiesel. He told me all TSB's were up to date. No mention of replacing the cat. Are they suppose to replace evey one with these buld dates? If so, I wonder how I can get dealer to perform required fix. This is so frustrating!!
The P20EE code can be one of several things, so Chrysler is taking a measured approach. Most P20EE that I've seen reported on various forums for 2014 EcoDiesel (including RAM 1500) ended up being the catalytic converter. A few have been stale DEF or contaminated DEF.
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Unread 02-09-2015, 02:07 PM   #8
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I just returned from the dealer with the P20EE code, they applied the latest update 1801814 REV-E...told me to call if the MIL returns, then they would proceed in changing the DEF injector / pump, then possibly the CAT ( Well, I'd be on ''tha list''. So, yes, they are taking a step by step approach. Seems that they had some success with the update only, which I seriously doubt. I donít think they know why some are experiencing these issues and others not. Must be an environment or driving habits vs build dates I gues...
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Unread 02-09-2015, 02:11 PM   #9
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Remember diesels in any form are ment to be driven. Not that those who rack of the miles don't have problems but I would bet those who put them through the proper heat cycles will be better off. I think it comes down to as well the learning curve of these new emissions. The VM motor was never intended to be used with a complex emissions system. With that being said some will have problems others will not. Make sure your pushing your diesel. Don't be afraid to add up the mileage. Every other day step on it. Get the turbos spoiled and push the motor. Best of luck.


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Unread 02-09-2015, 03:11 PM   #10
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I drive mine 15 miles to work at least 5 days per week. I usually cruise at 70-75 mph for about 5 of those miles.
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Unread 02-09-2015, 03:12 PM   #11
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Morax, when was yours built?
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Unread 02-09-2015, 05:19 PM   #12
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Early build Sept 2013... And yeah, I keep it ULTRA clean, but I do push that Diesel... - Sooner or later, they will change all the parts related to this issue and all will be good! Just a major waste of time, IMHO
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Unread 02-09-2015, 05:54 PM   #13
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Glad to see yall are putting the hammer down and putting stress on your motors. Diesels are meant to be worked, used but notice I didn't say abused. A lot of misconceptions that since its a diesel it can go the distance without maintenance. It remains to be seen if this diesel will make it 200-300-400k miles but I am kinda bound and determined to see for myself. 40,000/year on our vehicles. At 25,000 right now in 7 months so we will see.


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Unread 02-09-2015, 06:09 PM   #14
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Mostly towing and long drives, 3k miles per month easily...Planning to keep this one for a few years for sure! So need it to go up to 200K minimum!
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Unread 02-09-2015, 06:15 PM   #15
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So if your planning on keeping it which it certainly seems like you are check out Duramax Tuner/Cummins Tuner. They just announced they are doing final testing in a jeep ecodiesel tuner that will keep emissions in tact and will keep your warranty valid. YOUTUBE jeep tuner by duramax tuner. These guys are good at what they do by all accounts and fully test and measure the products they out out 100%. I'll be picking one up for our jeep and out DMAX


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