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Unread 06-20-2014, 07:54 AM   #16
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I'm not a very handy person so i've only used the flip glass about 5x in the 2yrs we've had it, but each of those times i was so happy to have it. Seems like a pretty common thing a "utility" vehicle should have. Not sure why the design team decided to take it out.

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Unread 06-20-2014, 07:58 AM   #17
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Based on the number of '14 GC's I see driving around I doubt it will hurt them much. I see many more 14's than I remember seeing with the WK2 first came out in '11. I think the '14 was a home run for Jeep.
Your small sample of the population shows no representation of what the impact would be, if any.

I remember when '11's came out they were EVERYWHERE in my area/state. Still are but obviously a lot of '14s are around now from new buyers and those who traded in.
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Unread 06-20-2014, 06:05 PM   #18
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I have been planning for the day that I could get my new MK2. Learning that they have deleted the glass door feature REALLY bums me out.

I currently have a 2003 Jeep GC and use the glass door all the time. In the summer, every time I take the dogs anywhere, I open the window and they love it. I open when I am hauling gas cans (for the mowers or snowblower). I have used it to allow boards to stick out the window. My ex-sister-in-law, just purchased a 2014 MK2 Limited with all the options (basically a Overland without the pained trim). She has discovered that automatic tailgate has real benefits but she constantly realizing how often she used just the glass feature on her 2002 Jeep GC. She is constantly concerned about the tailgate hitting her garage door.

In my estimation it was a deletion of an option to save money based on a (Jeep's) perception of how often it was used.

Jeep was one of the first real utility vehicles ever built. The loss of this option clearly provides less utility. It's a disappointment. Jeep has done so much to improve the quality and really refine the brand. As utility features (like this disappear) it becomes nothing more than a luxury SUV. There are a lot of luxury SUV brands out there. Ultimately the question remains, will the loss of this specific feature create loss of sales? Answer is, not likely a noticeable difference.

I haven't always been a Jeep fan. I have owned many types of SUVs (three Fords, an Infiniti FX45, and a Jeep) throughout the years. When, I bought my current Jeep four years ago, I went for an older model Jeep with features that served my life's needs. In the meantime, Jeep won me over. I will be forced at this time if I want a new Jeep to go without this feature.

As you can tell I feel passionate about the topic. Still bummed, trying to accept.
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Unread 06-20-2014, 07:19 PM   #19
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Sorry to jack the thread, but it seems it has already been done i.e., the flipper glass issue.

We had this feature on our 1997 GC and do not have it on our '14. I don't miss it, but then again the 1997 was a fully manual tailgate lift, so I am so deliriously happy to have power lift and close that I guess I am blind to the omission of the flipper glass. I did not use flipper glass that much on the '97 but there were times that it was nice.

Prior to buying the 2014 GC we shopped BMW, Acura, Lexus and Subaru SUVs and I can't recall which, if any have flipper glass. I wasn't looking for it.

Everyone's priorities are different but the good features on our new GC so outweigh the lack of flipper glass that for us, it is a non-issue.
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Unread 06-20-2014, 08:49 PM   #20
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My 2003 Trailblazer had the flipper ladies...I used it no more than 5 times in almost
10 years of trailing dirt bikes, sportbikes, golf clubs, etc.

Seriously, get over it or better yet, don't buy a 2014 GC. I love my Limited 4x4!
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Unread 06-21-2014, 12:35 AM   #21
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I'm not a very handy person so i've only used the flip glass about 5x in the 2yrs we've had it, but each of those times i was so happy to have it. Seems like a pretty common thing a "utility" vehicle should have. Not sure why the design team decided to take it out.
...probably because you only used it 5x in the last 2 years.
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Unread 06-21-2014, 03:18 AM   #22
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Listen. We are all entitled to our own opinions. If you think the lack of flipper glass is enough not to buy a 14+ GC; then don't! Go find a forum for a sub-par SUV with the option.
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Unread 06-21-2014, 07:56 AM   #23
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First the solid axles, now the flipper glass, what's next to go.. the seven slot grill?

Its a Jeep thing, one of the items that put utility in the vehicle.
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Unread 06-22-2014, 09:59 AM   #24
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Your small sample of the population shows no representation of what the impact would be, if any.

I remember when '11's came out they were EVERYWHERE in my area/state. Still are but obviously a lot of '14s are around now from new buyers and those who traded in.
Considering I live in Atlanta, it may be a better representation than you think...

But to give you real numbers: 2013 WK2 sales through May: 64,170
2014 WK2 sales through May: 74,558

So, yes, I stand by my statement...
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Unread 06-22-2014, 10:10 AM   #25
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Considering I live in Atlanta, it may be a better representation than you think...

But to give you real numbers: 2013 WK2 sales through May: 64,170
2014 WK2 sales through May: 74,558

So, yes, I stand by my statement...
I'm surprised that they sold any new 2013s in 2014 But it's easy to tell a story with statistics.. What was the source of your #s. That's like a 3% increase in sales... Which about the % most auto makers reported first quarter from 2013 to 2014.

How many wk2s were sold from 2011 to 2014 vs the model year 2014 sales?
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Unread 06-22-2014, 05:53 PM   #26
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I'm surprised that they sold any new 2013s in 2014 But it's easy to tell a story with statistics.. What was the source of your #s. That's like a 3% increase in sales... Which about the % most auto makers reported first quarter from 2013 to 2014.

How many wk2s were sold from 2011 to 2014 vs the model year 2014 sales?
It is actually a 16% increase from 2013(through May).

Here you go: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html

This will answer all your questions, but 2014 is the best year yet for WK2 sales...
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The year-over-year increase in sales is not all that impressive.

May YTD:

2011 vs. 2010 = +100%
2012 vs. 2011 = +38%
2013 vs. 2012 = +2%
2014 vs. 2013 = +16%

Starting off a lot slower than the '11 did vs. prior year.
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Unread 06-22-2014, 06:24 PM   #28
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Thats what we like to see, the source of the info. Wow 300,000 WJs in 1999! another 271,000 in 2000... no wonder why we see them everywhere
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Unread 06-22-2014, 09:01 PM   #29
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The year-over-year increase in sales is not all that impressive.

May YTD:

2011 vs. 2010 = +100%
2012 vs. 2011 = +38%
2013 vs. 2012 = +2%
2014 vs. 2013 = +16%

Starting off a lot slower than the '11 did vs. prior year.
Considering the '11 was a completely new WK vs the '14 which is a refresh this is not really surprising. My point was that dropping the flipper glass has not had a negative effect on sales vs the WK2's which have the flipper...
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Unread 06-22-2014, 11:00 PM   #30
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We don't know that nor will we be able to know because there's no documentation of customer decisions based on a single option. You can quote the 16% increase, but anyone can say it should be higher given what the '12 model did vs '11 and that the '14 had considerable changes. Either way, it's dumb to take out something that provides utility out of a car that people buy in part b/c of its utility.
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