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Unread 03-23-2013, 07:48 AM   #1
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No sick call? Call the "Care line"?

So, no more sick call? I'm at a base in Nebraska where the sick have to make an appointment to be sick? And, when you walk into "flight medicine", they ask if you have other insurance? Sir, the supplemental insurance will pick up part of the cost of the appointment? What? Am I paying for the clinic and appointment now?

So much for active duty and free health services.

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I'm assuming your in the AF on an AFB in Nebraska. I only have Army experience to relay but I'm assuming ALL services require you have an appointment before hitting the local base/post clinic.

Past couple of years (going back to 2000), AD could call the clinic number and get a same day appointment.

You're not using Tricare Standard as an AD member are you?
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So BAS in the morning is no more?
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Well welcome to the club, I still remember when I was in the navy (honourably discharged 2012) they mostly prescribe us motrine. the cure of all cures
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AF? Dude, Navy 23 years......

AF health care has confounded me since 03.

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So much for active duty and free health services.
It's still free.

However, they've been allowed to bill alternate insurance for years.

If your spouse has a job and you're covered under his/her insurance, for example, the military can and will bill it.

As for the appointments, how is that any different than anywhere else? The military has always been highly inefficient WRT sick call, because they were more concerned about accountability and malingerers than actually taking care of your illness. 50 people descending on the battalion aid station at 0500 and waiting 3 hours to see the PA is pointless, especially if you really ARE sick. Even worse if your unit makes Joes be escorted by NCOs... so now TWO troops are sitting around for no good reason.

Your system seems much better: call your 1st line "hey, I'm sick have an appt at 0945...", then show him the slip afterwards.

If you're really f'd up go to the ER or call an ambulance.
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I almost PCSd there... I got out instead. I don't know how many Army are there on Offutt, but I heard I was one of the only ones there with the CSG. I regret not taking the assignment sometimes.
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The Sick..need sick call. Showing up for an appointment the next day is nuts. Lame and lazy should be cut.... kinda like my medic in Afghanistan, she was on ,"profile".
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The Sick..need sick call. Showing up for an appointment the next day is nuts.
Is it REALLY next day?

While on rear det we had to use the TMC (troop medical clinic), the "aid station" for all the troops who belonged to units that didn't have their own medics.

It was similar to this, you called for an appt and got in the same day. It was no big deal.

I suspect this isn't really a big deal either.
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The big deal is the use of the care line for any active duty service member to make an appointment that may be up to three days later for an issue that affects them now. OR, you can go to the emergency room. This is about an Air Force base, not a det with a TMC. This place has a full hospital and even clinics on base.
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ETA: I just had reason to look at the Buckley AFB medical site. They run things the same way: call for an appointment, no sick call and no ER. If you need more urgent or serious care you're going off base.

http://www.buckley.af.mil/units/medical.asp

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The big deal is the use of the care line for any active duty service member to make an appointment that may be up to three days later for an issue that affects them now. OR, you can go to the emergency room.
So... they have an ER for urgent issues. How is that a problem? How is going to the ER, waiting around and seeing a Doc worse than going to an aid station, waiting around, and seeing an enlisted medic... and then being sent to the ER anyway?

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This is about an Air Force base, not a det with a TMC. This place has a full hospital and even clinics on base.
...but does each unit have an aid station? Fort Carson has clinics, a full hospital 2 or 3 TMCs... and probably 20 unit aid stations, which is where sick call happens.

When people went to sick call on the AF base, where did they go?

To clinics and hospitals? How is that any different than going to the ER and waiting around in the first place? May as well get an appointment.

An armor battalion has an aid station. They have medics and a PA sitting around doing nothing important all day. They can screen patients, treat the minor cases and send the serious ones on. The medic to Soldier ratio is relatively high in maneuver units. TDA units run more like you're describing and I've described. They're lumped all together under a TMC run more like civilian urgent care facilities. Heck, at places like the Pentagon or other "office" assignments they don't even have sick call. You go to a local hospital or clinic. I worked places where I just called the directorate Sergeant Major and told him I was sick. No doctor visit, no sick slip... if I wanted to see a doc I had to go make an appointment at a civilian facility somewhere.

I don't know for certain but I suspect that having lots of medical personnel sitting around isn't the case in the AF. I suspect most "Squadrons" or whatever don't have many medics. Maintenance squadrons, admin squadrons, whatever. I'm guessing few or no medics assigned. So they don't hold their own sick calls, people go to the base clinics or hospitals, right? They either have to keep enough medics around to handle the flood every morning and have patients sitting around for hours... and have medical personnel sitting around with nothing worthwhile to do the rest of the day after the rush is over... or spread it out throughout the day with appointments. Fewer medics, fer people sitting in a waiting-room exchanging germs, smaller facilities... AND people who need to be seen NOW can go to the ER, still.

I mean, there's a reason the civilian world doesn't operate the way the military operates. It's incredibly inefficient... and military sick call isn't set up the way it traditionally is to provide fast, efficient care. It's set up that way to provide control and oversight by the chain of command of the troops attending sick call. It's horribly inefficient UNLESS you have lots of medics just sitting around. The Army does, some places, and when it does it goes ahead and uses it. I doubt the AF does very often. The military HAS to get more efficient. Costs are becoming important. Budgets and manpower is going to dwindle over the next few years.

The military sick call system is designed PRIMARILY to filter out malingerers. That's WHY units handle their own sick call before sending troops who need more care on to others... so they can catch the fakers. That's the WHOLE point of it. They don't trust Joe to be truthful when he says he's home in bed sick. They want a medic/PA/ Doctor to agree with him. The military is the ONLY place in the world where's it's illegal to call in sick when you're not. There's a reason for that. They don't trust you... for a reason, in fairness. Lots of people do try to get a day off from time to time.

NOW you're complaining because they've decided to believe you when you say you're sick. I mean, as long as your chain of command is reasonable and BELIEVES you when you say you're sick I'm not seeing the problem. If they make you go to work when you're coughing up a lung because you don't have a doc's order putting you in quarters that's kind of stupid and counter productive, but it doesn't sound like that's the case.

Short version: No sick call, but appointments for chronic issues and an ER for acute issues. Not seeing the problem.
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