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Unread 02-11-2012, 01:47 PM   #31
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Yeah here in Ohio with most PDs your vet status gives you points on any civil service test you take. Although some of my training will count towards college credits, it will not count for anything in Police Academy.
What prior service does count for in an academy situation is familiarity with a quasi-military rank structure. When the Captain tells the Lt to tell the Sarge to tell his people, it will get done. In a civilian environment, there isn't that type of efficiency. By understanding how that works, veterans are a step ahead of the unenlightened who want to ask "why" every time they are told to do something.

There's also a lower percentage of fatbodies in the military, so veterans again tend to fare better in a police academy. As for actual MP experience giving you better placement or training? Most of the prior MPs I know made lousy cops - you have completely different clientele and expectations.

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Unread 02-11-2012, 03:18 PM   #32
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I wheeled with a couple navy MPs once, they absolutely hated it. I know of no one with the MOS I'm going for though, which kind of makes life annoying. It seems that everyone wants to reclass to EOD when they can, but no one is actually in it.
Oh well, I'm shipping of at the end of the week.
Are there any good places to go wheeling at Eglin AFB? I should be able to have the old heep down there by then.
I live not to far from Eglin. Hit me up when you get here and a few buddies and I can show you around.
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Unread 02-11-2012, 08:40 PM   #33
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Most of the prior MPs I know made lousy cops - you have completely different clientele and expectations.

I don't know any former MP's that are cops. But on the flip side I knew a cop that became an MP. Great guy but he did not enjoy being an MP.

Another flip side My friends who joins to be an MP so they could be a cop when they got out never joined the police.
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Unread 02-12-2012, 08:23 PM   #34
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If your going to join, then join. But unless your a hardcore army guy there are some additional suggestions. Airforce. Did you know if your airforce you get paid extra if your housing isn't up to par (small secret, most military housing isn't up to par). Army and its components deploy for a year. the rest for six months. Since i joined the guard, i wont see my wife for another six months, and if i were airforce or something else. I could be home tonight working on my heep. Deployment sucks, but it sucks even more when you have met people that deployed after you, got paid more, and then left before you. If you are reserve or nasty guard. You will get deployed more then your active counter parts. I'm in missouri, we are one of the most deployed states. my unit has been deployed three times in the last five years. Reserves and national guard makes it harder to get a job. I don't care what laws are out there. When they see your still in and only on weekends. A lot of employers wont touch that, they dont want to train someone just to leave in potientally a few months, or have to deal with schedules. The military is a great job, but only if you work it right.
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Unread 02-12-2012, 11:10 PM   #35
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Drix- this may come as a suprise, but a lot of cops I have met were USCG or Navy. The USCG tends to lean towards real law enforcement scenarios, but instead of a house or street, your on a boat in the ocean.
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Unread 02-13-2012, 07:58 AM   #36
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Drix- this may come as a suprise, but a lot of cops I have met were USCG or Navy. The USCG tends to lean towards real law enforcement scenarios, but instead of a house or street, your on a boat in the ocean.
I have a friend that is a Navy MA and his job is actual police work. He worked in guam for a little over a year patrolling in a squad car, responding to calls, and doing traffic stops. Now however he's on a boat with little police type work to be done. He was talking about switching to USCG when he gets out of the navy, but he is also looking around for a job in a local PD as a back up plan. My friends that are USAF SF, and Army MPs basically have no police type duties, in fact 3 of my friends that are SF just got back from a stan and every mission was convoy security. The government hires contractors a police force now in most cases.
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Unread 02-21-2012, 01:24 AM   #37
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If he has that as a background and applies for a PD he will probably get on. He will get veterans points and can probably get paid during his academy/ training. A few of my buddies did that when they got out. They were hired before they even went through the academy. But the USCG isn't really recruiting much right now, except prior service, so he has a chance of getting in.
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Unread 02-21-2012, 02:37 PM   #38
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If your going to join, then join. But unless your a hardcore army guy there are some additional suggestions. Airforce. Did you know if your airforce you get paid extra if your housing isn't up to par (small secret, most military housing isn't up to par). Army and its components deploy for a year. the rest for six months. Since i joined the guard, i wont see my wife for another six months, and if i were airforce or something else. I could be home tonight working on my heep. Deployment sucks, but it sucks even more when you have met people that deployed after you, got paid more, and then left before you. If you are reserve or nasty guard. You will get deployed more then your active counter parts. I'm in missouri, we are one of the most deployed states. my unit has been deployed three times in the last five years. Reserves and national guard makes it harder to get a job. I don't care what laws are out there. When they see your still in and only on weekends. A lot of employers wont touch that, they dont want to train someone just to leave in potientally a few months, or have to deal with schedules. The military is a great job, but only if you work it right.

yeah i second that motion....sometimes you do have employers who will overlook you and never have to tell you that's their reasoning.
I dont understand why he says get paid more???

Also joining the army is a good thing over navy and def marines because you do tend to make rank faster and more rank is more $$$. the faster you make rank, the faster your pay increases. not only base pay but your housing allowance goes up too. but remember reserves and national guard dont get housing and only get paid per one weekend a month. about $150-$500 per weekend. there are alot of variables on how much $ you get.
Just go active!

army guard here, soon to be active duty. i have alot of friends who have joined reserve or guard and have gone active within 2 years. in basic i heard it "33% of you reservists or guardsmen will want to go active within the first year"
ive got 5 years in and now deciding to go active.
I'am a guardsman as an Electrician i got an apprentice electrician job no questions asked even before i had background check and piss test and even application even made out. however when i go active i will be going infantry. I've seen too many older soldiers who have never been 11B and know nothing about basic soldiering skills. i don't want to be that guy some day. while Im young and fit id like to do what the army originally was formed for. shoot big guns and "go camping" lol

Also on another note i deployed and re-classed as an MP for deployment only. we did A LOT of things. i cant say we were hated because we were cops, but when base security was most important we as lower enlisted soldiers could tell higher ranking officers to f*ck off (in the nicest way and still keep your military bearing) lol once had a full bird colonel negligently discharge his weapon in a cleaning barrel.... i said to him " what the f*ck is your problem soldier, did you forget how your weapon functions" as i removed the weapon (9mm) from his hand and properly cleared it for him. later apologized for the profanity and disrespect toward his rank. He said i was right in every aspect. he got complacent with his weapon and forgot how to properly clear it.

also we did alot of escorts, generals and even secretary of defense.
bringing them to and from meetings with other ISAF officials. did convoy security as well. preventing theft of our goods from px to px and fuel trucks.
we also did help out afghan police with some investigations in the local area.

if you want to be an MP i only suggest that you do it for the training you will recieve so you can also use that on a resume someday for possible civilian police work. if you have no intentions of being Law Enforcement when you get out...dont join mp
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Unread 02-21-2012, 06:31 PM   #39
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Drix- this may come as a suprise, but a lot of cops I have met were USCG or Navy. The USCG tends to lean towards real law enforcement scenarios, but instead of a house or street, your on a boat in the ocean.
Coasties yes, Had a buddy in he ran down drug runners in FL. I give coasties a lot of props they do a lot of stuff people would not imagine.

And this may come as a surprise but your in my home town.


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But the USCG isn't really recruiting much right now, except prior service, so he has a chance of getting in.
You guys in the Coast Guard are strange when it comes to recruiting. I called each time my Contracts were getting ready to be done to try to get in and each time I got different answers from multiple places on how it works and that they were not taking prior service.
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Unread 02-23-2012, 08:12 AM   #40
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Coasties yes, Had a buddy in he ran down drug runners in FL. I give coasties a lot of props they do a lot of stuff people would not imagine.

And this may come as a surprise but your in my home town.

You guys in the Coast Guard are strange when it comes to recruiting. I called each time my Contracts were getting ready to be done to try to get in and each time I got different answers from multiple places on how it works and that they were not taking prior service.
We have 3 prior service guys on board my cutter now. One graduated boot camp in October.
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Unread 02-23-2012, 12:46 PM   #41
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We have 3 prior service guys on board my cutter now. One graduated boot camp in October.
Probably just was hitting up the recruiters when numbers were not needed. My buddies wife said when she was at OCS there 3 Marines in her class also.
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Unread 02-23-2012, 03:40 PM   #42
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Yeah, and I know that they also have quotas to fill...
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Unread 02-27-2012, 06:00 PM   #43
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Thanks for all the information. Right now I've got all of the paperwork filled out and ready. What is holding me up is my marriage cert. My wife is a cop and had that plus other documents in a folder that was stolen when our vehicle was broken into. We live in Ohio and were married in SC. My recruiter is waiting for a recruiter down there to overnight that doc up here and I'm clear for MEPS and job selection.

After numerous talks with many people, I've decided to go reserve to have a unit that is closer to home. I have a decent job that I get paid fairly well for and they don't mind the weekend/summer leaves. I will however have my name on a list of soldiers that could attach to other units for deployments. Ill post up more next week after enlistment is final and a ship date is set.
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Unread 02-29-2012, 04:52 AM   #44
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I am actually an MP and I'm currently deployed. IF your going army (airforce is SP) mp then this is your job . MP means military police where security police. The differences is where security police right in patrol cars, stop speeders, write tickets. MP's actually pretend to be infantry sometimes, other times they pretend to be 31E when is a prison guard. The prisons we guard are nothing but **** throwers and they piss on you none stop. and the last but definitately least (my job currently) is gate guard. I stand at a gate for 10 hours a day searching vehicles and scanning various people into our base. It is a boring job at best and at least a deadly job. There is almost no defense if someone wants to shoot you or kill you because your not protected, your just standing out there in the open. I got an 88 on my asvab, that means very little in the army. its the GT score they look at. I got a 128 when allowed me most jobs and i picked mp. Basic is just like AIT, not relaxed. one of the few MOS's that still use drill sargents as instructors of AIT. I know maybe a handful of guys that like being an MP and all of them were garrison at a base in the states. I'm hated by the world because I'm an american, I'm hated by the US because I'm in a war they don't believe we should be in, and I'm hated by the army because I'm a cop. Rethink your path. You'll thank me later
What are you smoking? This aint Vietnam. There has never been more support for our military than this time in history. How can you be hated as a cop, when your post indicates you don't do much as a cop??? Sour Grapes??

For the OP - I enlisted as an MP. When I enlisted the MPs preformed the law enforcement mission. Now, on bases within the United States, a good portion of the law enforcement activity is conducted by DOD police (civilians). MP training is not P.O.S.T. certified and not transferable, so it probably does not get you a leg up on an LEO job. As another poster stated, the military in itself will get you ahead, as it teaches you values that translate well in the corporate world. After a few years as a MP, I applied for and became a U.S. Army CID Agent. CID is the only recognized federal law enforcement agency within the armed forces, that is filled by active duty soldiers. I can't add to what you should look for today, as I retired seven years ago. Enjoy your service, whether you go active, reserve or guard.

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Unread 03-08-2012, 08:04 PM   #45
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Shipping out to Ft Jackson on May 22. 89B Ammunition Specialist. I scored an 88 on the ASVAB this time around with some pretty decent line scores and only had but a handful of jobs to pick from. Liaison said lately they have actually been sending people home due to a lack of jobs apparently. I'm still excited though. Everything is finalized and I'm ready to get this going.
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