Obviously the author of this thread is a close-minded individual and I am glad to see him leave the service of this country. If you don't remember you swore an oath to serve and protect the people of the united states. Being a non commissioned officer with almost ten years of service and over 30 months of time in Iraq I do believe that if a woman wants the chance to serve in that capacity let her. Make her pass by the same standards. if she fails she fails and if she succeeds she succeeds. What does gender really have to do with someone wanting to serve their country. Alot of people are going off track but they are all valid points. Men have never had to prove themselves to be worthy of serving their country in the military. Women have had to fight for almost everything they have. The right to vote, serve in public office, serve their country just to name a few. What are you scared of that the military might want more females in infantry roles? Strength and being an alpha has nothing to do with any of this. A woman is fully capable of leading combat troops, firing a weapon, rucking, doing pt. Alot of women probably just don't want to be in that job and some do. What is the real harm of women in an infantry role? You are a typical marine grunt that no one likes or cares for that his head is too big and can't seem to get it out his a**. The big debate over this issue is people like you that can't seem to think like an educated adult. Like I said in the beginning I am glad knowing that I won't have to share a foxhole with you. Let them serve how they want to if they fail they fail but I would put my money on them succeeding. We have the finest fighting force in the world and with all the change over the years it not once has made us weaker. Thoughts like this is what degrades our force not women in combat roles.
Welcome to our forum however, you are wrong on so many levels in your post. Lets go in order here to ensure there is no confusion.
1) Yes, we swore an oath to defend the constitution to all enemies forigen and domestic. Nowhere in the oath I swore to said I had to want females in a fighting hole next to me
2) I think almost everyone on here is in agreement that if a woman was capable of the same standards as a male (like the Marine Corps just tried at the IOC), then there may be some leeway but what if a woman is capable then when a female becomes pregnant just prior or while on the deployment what happens to that void? As a draw down begins, there are fewer bodies to replace her. What if a woman develops PTSD as a result of the delpoyment? What happens to her ability to have children after her delpoyment? http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA519190
"Although there have been few studies evaluating the impact of PTSD on pregnancy outcomes,
research has identified an association between maternal stress and poor pregnancy outcomes"
3) Nobody is questioning gender to serve in the military, just in the infantry. Women are very much needed in the military. Each sex has its own weaknesses and strengths.
4) What is the real harm of women in the infantry? If we say all women must pass the same physical standards of men and ensure they are capable of the same amount of strength (e.g fireman carrying males, carrying litters with 200+ lbs etc) you then have to look at the mental side. Typically men want to protect women more than themselves. That is just the way our brains are programmed. Also, most men are attracted physically to females and the average Marine is 19 years old. How high is the testosterone in this age group, especially in the military? http://www.renewman.com/male-testost...e-level-in-men
That is the average for all men, it lacks creedence on the military side because working out increases testosterone levels. The average grunt works out at least once a day, quite a few workout two to three times a day. Here is a study from 1994 http://www.bluffton.edu/~mastg/The%20He%20Hormone.htm
"Testosterone levels are higher among blue-collar workers, for example, than among white-collar workers, according to a study of more than 4,000 former military personnel conducted in 1992. A 1998 study found that trial lawyers -- with their habituation to combat, conflict and swagger -- have higher levels of T than other lawyers." Here is another good testosterone read http://cogprints.org/663/1/bbs_mazur.html
I am only pointing out testosterone on the infantry side because no offense to any non infantry person, from my own experience, the infantry tends to be more aggressive on average.
Most 03's have little interaction with WM's, whenever they see one, look at how they react/act. They behave like they have not seen a female in years and make pretty snide comments about that female 90% of the time, in good or bad ways. Putting them with this group will only create problems for drama as she will more than likely start a relationship with at least one male member causing others to become jealous or challenge themselves to sleep with her. What happens then when/if they break up? What also happens if she becomes forward deployed or out in the field even for a few weeks and runs out of tampons? Women also get UTI's easier than males. What if a woman is unable to get medical treatment for this because of a lack of medical supplies? Sure at large bases they have medical equipment for this while deployed but if we enter a war during the initial invasion, these BAS stations are not readily available. Before you say that's a lot of what ifs, you must think of these things because its not a video game, there is no reset button.
5) You are showing who is the *** with your comment highlighted in red
6) Men have never had to fight for their rights? You must be joking right? Go back to college and take a few history classes.
And since you want to call us cocky, "The American Marines have it, and benefit from it. They are tough, cocky, sure of themselves and their buddies. They can fight and they know it."
General Mark Clark, U.S. Army
Now, fill out your profile so we know what front and rear axles you have